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From: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
To: Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>
Cc: Jiri Slaby <jslaby@suse.cz>, Julian Wiedmann <jwi@linux.ibm.com>,
	Ursula Braun <ubraun@linux.ibm.com>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
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	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	Michal Kubecek <mkubecek@suse.cz>
Subject: Re: [kernel-hardening] [PATCH 09/38] usercopy: Mark kmalloc caches as usercopy caches
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 15:01:53 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <202001281457.FA11CC313A@keescook> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5861936c-1fe1-4c44-d012-26efa0c8b6e7@de.ibm.com>

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 08:58:31AM +0100, Christian Borntraeger wrote:
> 
> 
> On 28.01.20 00:19, Kees Cook wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 09:14:20AM +0100, Jiri Slaby wrote:
> >> On 14. 11. 19, 22:27, Kees Cook wrote:
> >>> On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 01:21:54PM -0800, Kees Cook wrote:
> >>>> How is iucv the only network protocol that has run into this? Do others
> >>>> use a bounce buffer?
> >>>
> >>> Another solution would be to use a dedicated kmem cache (instead of the
> >>> shared kmalloc dma one)?
> >>
> >> Has there been any conclusion to this thread yet? For the time being, we
> >> disabled HARDENED_USERCOPY on s390...
> >>
> >> https://lore.kernel.org/kernel-hardening/9519edb7-456a-a2fa-659e-3e5a1ff89466@suse.cz/
> > 
> > I haven't heard anything new. What did people think of a separate kmem
> > cache?
> > 
> 
> Adding Julian and Ursula. A separate kmem cache for iucv might be indeed
> a solution for the user hardening issue.

It should be very clean -- any existing kmallocs already have to be
"special" in the sense that they're marked with the DMA flag. So
converting these to a separate cache should be mostly mechanical.

> On the other hand not marking the DMA caches still seems questionable.

My understanding is that exposing DMA memory to userspace copies can
lead to unexpected results, especially for misbehaving hardware, so I'm
not convinced this is a generically bad hardening choice.

-Kees

> 
> For reference
> https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1156053
> the kernel hardening now triggers a warning.
> 

-- 
Kees Cook

  reply	other threads:[~2020-01-28 23:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-01-11  2:02 [kernel-hardening] [PATCH v5 00/38] Hardened usercopy whitelisting Kees Cook
2018-01-11  2:02 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH 01/38] usercopy: Remove pointer from overflow report Kees Cook
2018-01-11  2:02 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH 02/38] usercopy: Enhance and rename report_usercopy() Kees Cook
2018-01-11 17:06   ` [kernel-hardening] " Christopher Lameter
2018-01-14 20:57     ` Kees Cook
2018-01-11  2:02 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH 03/38] usercopy: Include offset in hardened usercopy report Kees Cook
2018-01-11  2:02 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH 04/38] lkdtm/usercopy: Adjust test to include an offset to check reporting Kees Cook
2018-01-11  2:02 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH 05/38] stddef.h: Introduce sizeof_field() Kees Cook
2018-01-11  2:02 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH 06/38] usercopy: Prepare for usercopy whitelisting Kees Cook
2018-01-11  2:02 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH 07/38] usercopy: WARN() on slab cache usercopy region violations Kees Cook
2018-01-11  2:02 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH 08/38] usercopy: Allow strict enforcement of whitelists Kees Cook
2018-01-11  2:02 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH 09/38] usercopy: Mark kmalloc caches as usercopy caches Kees Cook
2019-11-12  7:17   ` Jiri Slaby
2019-11-12 21:21     ` Kees Cook
2019-11-14 21:27       ` Kees Cook
2020-01-23  8:14         ` Jiri Slaby
2020-01-27 23:19           ` Kees Cook
2020-01-28  7:58             ` Christian Borntraeger
2020-01-28 23:01               ` Kees Cook [this message]
2020-01-29  9:26                 ` Ursula Braun
2020-01-29 16:43                 ` Christopher Lameter
2020-01-29 17:07                   ` Christian Borntraeger
2020-01-29 17:09                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-01-29 17:19                       ` Christian Borntraeger
2020-01-30 19:23                         ` Kees Cook
2020-01-31 12:03                           ` Jann Horn
2020-02-01 17:56                             ` Kees Cook
2020-02-01 19:27                               ` Jann Horn
2020-02-03  7:46                                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-02-03 17:41                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-02-03 17:20                               ` Christopher Lameter
2020-04-07  8:00                             ` Vlastimil Babka
2020-04-07 11:05                               ` Christian Borntraeger
2020-04-20  7:53                               ` Jiri Slaby
2020-04-20 17:43                                 ` Kees Cook
2020-02-03 17:38                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-02-03 17:36                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-01-11  2:02 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH 10/38] dcache: Define usercopy region in dentry_cache slab cache Kees Cook
2018-01-11  2:02 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH 11/38] vfs: Define usercopy region in names_cache slab caches Kees Cook
2018-01-11  2:02 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH 12/38] vfs: Copy struct mount.mnt_id to userspace using put_user() Kees Cook
2018-01-11  2:02 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH 13/38] ext4: Define usercopy region in ext4_inode_cache slab cache Kees Cook
2018-01-11 17:01   ` [kernel-hardening] " Theodore Ts'o
2018-01-11 23:05     ` Kees Cook
2018-01-14 22:34       ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-01-11  2:02 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH 14/38] ext2: Define usercopy region in ext2_inode_cache " Kees Cook
2018-01-11  2:02 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH 15/38] jfs: Define usercopy region in jfs_ip " Kees Cook
2018-01-11  2:02 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH 16/38] befs: Define usercopy region in befs_inode_cache " Kees Cook
2018-01-11  2:02 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH 17/38] exofs: Define usercopy region in exofs_inode_cache " Kees Cook
2018-01-11  2:02 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH 18/38] orangefs: Define usercopy region in orangefs_inode_cache " Kees Cook
2018-01-11  2:02 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH 19/38] ufs: Define usercopy region in ufs_inode_cache " Kees Cook
2018-01-11  2:02 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH 20/38] vxfs: Define usercopy region in vxfs_inode " Kees Cook
2018-01-11  2:02 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH 21/38] cifs: Define usercopy region in cifs_request " Kees Cook
2018-01-11  2:02 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH 22/38] scsi: Define usercopy region in scsi_sense_cache " Kees Cook
2018-01-11  2:02 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH 23/38] net: Define usercopy region in struct proto " Kees Cook
2018-01-11  2:02 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH 24/38] ip: Define usercopy region in IP " Kees Cook
2018-01-11  2:02 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH 25/38] caif: Define usercopy region in caif " Kees Cook
2018-01-11  2:02 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH 26/38] sctp: Define usercopy region in SCTP " Kees Cook
2018-01-11  2:02 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH 27/38] sctp: Copy struct sctp_sock.autoclose to userspace using put_user() Kees Cook
2018-01-18 21:31   ` [kernel-hardening] " Laura Abbott
2018-01-18 21:36     ` Kees Cook
2018-01-11  2:03 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH 28/38] net: Restrict unwhitelisted proto caches to size 0 Kees Cook
2018-01-11  2:03 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH 29/38] fork: Define usercopy region in mm_struct slab caches Kees Cook
2018-01-11  2:03 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH 30/38] fork: Define usercopy region in thread_stack " Kees Cook
2018-01-11  2:03 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH 31/38] fork: Provide usercopy whitelisting for task_struct Kees Cook
2018-01-11  2:03 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH 32/38] x86: Implement thread_struct whitelist for hardened usercopy Kees Cook
2018-01-11  2:03 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH 33/38] arm64: " Kees Cook
2018-01-15 12:24   ` [kernel-hardening] " Dave P Martin
2018-01-15 20:06     ` Kees Cook
2018-01-16 12:33       ` Dave Martin
2018-03-26 16:22       ` Dave Martin
2018-03-26 17:41         ` Kees Cook
2018-03-27 12:32           ` Dave Martin
2018-01-11  2:03 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH 34/38] arm: " Kees Cook
2018-01-11 10:24   ` [kernel-hardening] " Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-01-11 23:21     ` Kees Cook
2018-01-11  2:03 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH 35/38] kvm: whitelist struct kvm_vcpu_arch Kees Cook
2018-01-11  2:03 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH 36/38] kvm: x86: fix KVM_XEN_HVM_CONFIG ioctl Kees Cook
2018-01-11  2:03 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH 37/38] usercopy: Restrict non-usercopy caches to size 0 Kees Cook
2018-01-11  2:03 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH 38/38] lkdtm: Update usercopy tests for whitelisting Kees Cook
2018-02-19 16:55 ` [PATCH] signals: Move put_compat_sigset to compat.h to silence hardened usercopy Matt Redfearn
2018-02-19 23:55   ` Kees Cook
2018-03-02 21:40     ` James Hogan

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