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From: Sagi Grimberg <sagi@grimberg.me>
To: Hannes Reinecke <hare@suse.de>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Cc: Keith Busch <kbusch@kernel.org>,
	linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org,
	Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@oracle.com>,
	kernel-tls-handshake@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: [PATCH 12/18] nvme-fabrics: parse options 'keyring' and 'tls_key'
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2023 16:07:15 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a22946d2-e22d-a361-8768-8b34cbec1b03@grimberg.me> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d67d9932-96eb-3548-cf40-b48a6db95739@suse.de>


>>>>> Parse the fabrics options 'keyring' and 'tls_key' and store the
>>>>> referenced keys in the options structure.
>>>>
>>>> Can you explain the reasoning to why a user need to pass a keyring
>>>> given that we already set up one?
>>>>
>>> Choice.
>>> With a single keyring we can only have a single identity.
>>> But there might be configurations where we want to have different PSKs
>>> for the same identity (eg for key rotation).
>>
>> How do you expect that rotation would work with this?
>>
> The user creates a new keyring, adds the necessary keys to it, and then
> either
> - updates the keyring for nvmet (via configfs)
> or
> - reconnects using the new keyring

And the user cannot update the nvme keyring?

>> How does nvmet handle a non-nvme keyring?
>>
> There is a configfs attribute 'param_keyring', allowing you to use a 
> different keyring (the nvme one is just the default).

OK.

>>> With this option we can prepare a new keyring, and use that instead 
>>> of the old one.
>>
>> On an existing controller?
>>
> Sure; when we are updating the keyring and the key id the controller 
> will use that after the next reset.
> Much like we do for DH-CHAP nowadays.
> 
>>> (And it really doesn't add much complexity...)
>>
>> I know, it just adds one more argument, and I want to understand if it
>> is really needed.
> 
> I do agree that the keyring argument would not necessarily required if 
> we pass in the key id, but I'll be needing the keyring for secure 
> concatenation. And plan is to move DH-HMAC-CHAP over to keyrings, too.

I'm not sure I understand why authentication move to keyrings requires
that the user is able to bring its own keyring.

> So I'd prefer to keep it.

I'm not against it, but I failing to understand in what situation a user
_must_ send a different keyring to the driver (and not use the nvme
keyring).

  reply	other threads:[~2023-04-03 13:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-03-29 13:59 [PATCHv2 00/18] nvme: In-kernel TLS support for TCP Hannes Reinecke
2023-03-29 13:59 ` [PATCH 01/18] nvme-keyring: register '.nvme' keyring and add CONFIG_NVME_TLS Hannes Reinecke
2023-03-29 14:49   ` Sagi Grimberg
2023-03-29 15:24     ` Hannes Reinecke
2023-03-29 15:04   ` Sagi Grimberg
2023-03-29 15:26     ` Hannes Reinecke
2023-03-30  8:53   ` Daniel Wagner
2023-03-30 14:38     ` Sagi Grimberg
2023-03-29 13:59 ` [PATCH 02/18] nvme-keyring: define a 'psk' keytype Hannes Reinecke
2023-03-29 13:59 ` [PATCH 03/18] nvme: add TCP TSAS definitions Hannes Reinecke
2023-03-29 13:59 ` [PATCH 04/18] nvme-tcp: add definitions for TLS cipher suites Hannes Reinecke
2023-03-29 13:59 ` [PATCH 05/18] net/tls: implement ->read_sock() Hannes Reinecke
2023-03-29 15:37   ` Sagi Grimberg
2023-03-29 15:41     ` Hannes Reinecke
2023-03-29 15:43       ` Sagi Grimberg
2023-03-29 15:44   ` Sagi Grimberg
2023-03-29 13:59 ` [PATCH 06/18] nvme/tcp: allocate socket file Hannes Reinecke
2023-03-29 15:57   ` Sagi Grimberg
2023-03-29 13:59 ` [PATCH 07/18] nvme-keyring: implement nvme_tls_psk_default() Hannes Reinecke
2023-03-29 15:35   ` Sagi Grimberg
2023-03-29 13:59 ` [PATCH 08/18] security/keys: export key_lookup() Hannes Reinecke
2023-03-29 13:59 ` [PATCH 09/18] nvme-tcp: enable TLS handshake upcall Hannes Reinecke
2023-03-30 12:54   ` Daniel Wagner
2023-03-30 12:59     ` Hannes Reinecke
2023-03-30 15:03   ` Sagi Grimberg
2023-03-30 17:16     ` Hannes Reinecke
2023-03-29 13:59 ` [PATCH 10/18] nvme-tcp: fixup send workflow for kTLS Hannes Reinecke
2023-03-30 15:24   ` Sagi Grimberg
2023-03-30 17:26     ` Hannes Reinecke
2023-03-31  5:49     ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-03-31  6:03       ` Hannes Reinecke
2023-04-03 12:20         ` Sagi Grimberg
2023-04-03 14:59           ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-04-03 15:51             ` Sagi Grimberg
2023-04-03 18:48               ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-04-03 22:36                 ` Sagi Grimberg
2023-03-29 13:59 ` [PATCH 11/18] nvme-tcp: control message handling for recvmsg() Hannes Reinecke
2023-03-30 15:25   ` Sagi Grimberg
2023-03-29 13:59 ` [PATCH 12/18] nvme-fabrics: parse options 'keyring' and 'tls_key' Hannes Reinecke
2023-03-30 15:33   ` Sagi Grimberg
2023-03-30 17:34     ` Hannes Reinecke
2023-04-03 12:24       ` Sagi Grimberg
2023-04-03 12:36         ` Hannes Reinecke
2023-04-03 13:07           ` Sagi Grimberg [this message]
2023-04-03 14:11             ` Hannes Reinecke
2023-04-03 16:13               ` Sagi Grimberg
2023-03-29 13:59 ` [PATCH 13/18] nvmet: make TCP sectype settable via configfs Hannes Reinecke
2023-03-30 16:07   ` Sagi Grimberg
2023-03-30 17:37     ` Hannes Reinecke
2023-04-03 12:31       ` Sagi Grimberg
2023-04-03 12:43         ` Hannes Reinecke
2023-03-29 13:59 ` [PATCH 14/18] nvmet-tcp: allocate socket file Hannes Reinecke
2023-03-30 16:08   ` Sagi Grimberg
2023-03-30 17:37     ` Hannes Reinecke
2023-03-29 13:59 ` [PATCH 15/18] nvmet-tcp: enable TLS handshake upcall Hannes Reinecke
2023-04-03 12:51   ` Sagi Grimberg
2023-04-03 14:05     ` Hannes Reinecke
2023-03-29 13:59 ` [PATCH 16/18] nvmet-tcp: rework sendpage for kTLS Hannes Reinecke
2023-04-03 12:52   ` Sagi Grimberg
2023-03-29 13:59 ` [PATCH 17/18] nvmet-tcp: control messages for recvmsg() Hannes Reinecke
2023-04-03 12:59   ` Sagi Grimberg
2023-03-29 13:59 ` [PATCH 18/18] nvmet-tcp: add configfs attribute 'param_keyring' Hannes Reinecke
2023-04-03 13:03   ` Sagi Grimberg
2023-04-03 14:13     ` Hannes Reinecke
2023-04-03 15:53       ` Sagi Grimberg
2023-04-14 10:30         ` Hannes Reinecke
2023-04-17 13:50           ` Sagi Grimberg
2023-04-17 14:01             ` Hannes Reinecke
2023-04-17 15:12               ` Sagi Grimberg

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