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Hello, I am from Colombia and I am interested in the kernel, I would like
that there were also kernel developers here, I hope to learn a lot and be
able to share that knowledge for Hispanics and can join this cause.

El dom., 29 sept. 2019 a las 11:00, <kernelnewbies-request@kernelnewbies.org>
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>    1. Hello, does anyone know any university that has lines of
>       research on the linux kernel (Manuel Quintero Fonseca)
>    2. Re: Hello, does anyone know any university that has lines of
>       research on the linux kernel (Valdis Kl=?utf-8?Q?=c4=93?=tnieks)
>    3. Re: Hello, does anyone know any university that has lines of
>       research on the linux kernel (Maria Neptune)
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>       research on the linux kernel (Greg KH)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 12:45:11 -0600
> From: Manuel Quintero Fonseca <manuel@uas.edu.mx>
> To: kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org
> Subject: Hello, does anyone know any university that has lines of
>         research on the linux kernel
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> Hello, does anyone know any university that has lines of research on
> the linux kernel
> Thank you
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 16:16:46 -0400
> From: "Valdis Kl=?utf-8?Q?=c4=93?=tnieks" <valdis.kletnieks@vt.edu>
> To: Manuel Quintero Fonseca <manuel@uas.edu.mx>
> Cc: kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org
> Subject: Re: Hello, does anyone know any university that has lines of
>         research on the linux kernel
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> On Sat, 28 Sep 2019 12:45:11 -0600, Manuel Quintero Fonseca said:
> > Hello, does anyone know any university that has lines of research on
> > the linux kernel
>
> Well.. most of the actual code development is being done out in industry
> and by individuals.  The stuff that happens in universities is usually more
> theoretical (new concepts in memory management, etc), and merely *uses*
> Linux as a platform because it's available.  Pretty much nobody is doing
> any research *on* the Linux kernel as itself (unless it's as a case study
> in
> managing large scale software development, or as a data point for code
> quality metrics and other such things).
>
> And there's a difference between "University ABC has a professor who's got
> this
> one project that happens to use Linux in it" and "University DEF has 4
> professors and 20 grad students who have set up an official Center For
> Something Research".  So if you're looking for grad schools, you want to be
> looking at things with longevity, like the MIT Media Lab, or Purdue's
> computer
> security expertise, or a lot of the stuff being done at CMU or Stanford or
> Berkeley.  It sucks to transfer to a grad school for 3 years, only to have
> the
> project you transferred for go away a year later....
>
> (And many of those projects never see the light of day, because they often
> end
> up being some variant of "If we measured metric X better, we could do a
> better
> job of predicting what to do with Y" - but it often turns out that
> measuring X
> better costs more than the added efficiency of Y gains you....)
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> From: Maria Neptune <maria.elysse.n@gmail.com>
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> Additionally, if you're really interested in free software at university,
> UCLA's Paul Eggert is pretty prolific. So here may be worth considering.
> - Maria
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 28, 2019, 16:17 Valdis Kl?tnieks <valdis.kletnieks@vt.edu>
> wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 28 Sep 2019 12:45:11 -0600, Manuel Quintero Fonseca said:
> > > Hello, does anyone know any university that has lines of research on
> > > the linux kernel
> >
> > Well.. most of the actual code development is being done out in industry
> > and by individuals.  The stuff that happens in universities is usually
> more
> > theoretical (new concepts in memory management, etc), and merely *uses*
> > Linux as a platform because it's available.  Pretty much nobody is doing
> > any research *on* the Linux kernel as itself (unless it's as a case study
> > in
> > managing large scale software development, or as a data point for code
> > quality metrics and other such things).
> >
> > And there's a difference between "University ABC has a professor who's
> got
> > this
> > one project that happens to use Linux in it" and "University DEF has 4
> > professors and 20 grad students who have set up an official Center For
> > Something Research".  So if you're looking for grad schools, you want to
> be
> > looking at things with longevity, like the MIT Media Lab, or Purdue's
> > computer
> > security expertise, or a lot of the stuff being done at CMU or Stanford
> or
> > Berkeley.  It sucks to transfer to a grad school for 3 years, only to
> have
> > the
> > project you transferred for go away a year later....
> >
> > (And many of those projects never see the light of day, because they
> often
> > end
> > up being some variant of "If we measured metric X better, we could do a
> > better
> > job of predicting what to do with Y" - but it often turns out that
> > measuring X
> > better costs more than the added efficiency of Y gains you....)
> >
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> Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 10:36:59 +0200
> From: Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>
> To: Valdis Kl?tnieks <valdis.kletnieks@vt.edu>
> Cc: kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org, Manuel Quintero Fonseca
>         <manuel@uas.edu.mx>
> Subject: Re: Hello, does anyone know any university that has lines of
>         research on the linux kernel
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> On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 04:16:46PM -0400, Valdis Kl?tnieks wrote:
> > On Sat, 28 Sep 2019 12:45:11 -0600, Manuel Quintero Fonseca said:
> > > Hello, does anyone know any university that has lines of research on
> > > the linux kernel
> >
> > Well.. most of the actual code development is being done out in industry
> > and by individuals.  The stuff that happens in universities is usually
> more
> > theoretical (new concepts in memory management, etc), and merely *uses*
> > Linux as a platform because it's available.  Pretty much nobody is doing
> > any research *on* the Linux kernel as itself (unless it's as a case
> study in
> > managing large scale software development, or as a data point for code
> > quality metrics and other such things).
>
> That's not true, there are lots of universities doing research *on* the
> Linux kernel, as well as doing research *for* the Linux kernel in order
> to make it better and to prove/disprove new research theories.
>
> One example would be the first talk listed here that happened last week:
>         https://kernel-recipes.org/en/2019/live-blog-day-3-2/
> It describes how research is being used to both prove that the kernel's
> model of operation is correct (he found bugs in it when doing so) as
> well as to advance the development of formal methods.
>
> There are loads of other research projects doing stuff like this all
> over the world, look at the output of computer science papers for lots
> of examples of this.
>
> > And there's a difference between "University ABC has a professor who's
> got this
> > one project that happens to use Linux in it" and "University DEF has 4
> > professors and 20 grad students who have set up an official Center For
> > Something Research".  So if you're looking for grad schools, you want to
> be
> > looking at things with longevity, like the MIT Media Lab, or Purdue's
> computer
> > security expertise, or a lot of the stuff being done at CMU or Stanford
> or
> > Berkeley.  It sucks to transfer to a grad school for 3 years, only to
> have the
> > project you transferred for go away a year later....
>
> There are lots of these types of "centers of research" at universities
> outside of the US as well.  Again, look at papers for examples of common
> groups of professors sponsoring projects for where this is happening.  I
> don't want to slight any by only listing a few :)
>
> thanks,
>
> greg k-h
>
>
>
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<div dir="ltr"><br class="gmail-Apple-interchange-newline"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:rgb(248,249,250)">Hello, I am from Colombia and I am interested in the kernel, I would like that there were also kernel developers here, I hope to learn a lot and be able to share that knowledge for Hispanics and can join this cause.</span>  <br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">El dom., 29 sept. 2019 a las 11:00, &lt;<a href="mailto:kernelnewbies-request@kernelnewbies.org">kernelnewbies-request@kernelnewbies.org</a>&gt; escribió:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Send Kernelnewbies mailing list submissions to<br>
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   1. Hello, does anyone know any university that has lines of<br>
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   2. Re: Hello, does anyone know any university that has lines of<br>
      research on the linux kernel (Valdis Kl=?utf-8?Q?=c4=93?=tnieks)<br>
   3. Re: Hello, does anyone know any university that has lines of<br>
      research on the linux kernel (Maria Neptune)<br>
   4. Re: Hello, does anyone know any university that has lines of<br>
      research on the linux kernel (Greg KH)<br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 12:45:11 -0600<br>
From: Manuel Quintero Fonseca &lt;<a href="mailto:manuel@uas.edu.mx" target="_blank">manuel@uas.edu.mx</a>&gt;<br>
To: <a href="mailto:kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org" target="_blank">kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org</a><br>
Subject: Hello, does anyone know any university that has lines of<br>
        research on the linux kernel<br>
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Hello, does anyone know any university that has lines of research on<br>
the linux kernel<br>
Thank you<br>
<br>
<br>
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Message: 2<br>
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 16:16:46 -0400<br>
From: &quot;Valdis Kl=?utf-8?Q?=c4=93?=tnieks&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:valdis.kletnieks@vt.edu" target="_blank">valdis.kletnieks@vt.edu</a>&gt;<br>
To: Manuel Quintero Fonseca &lt;<a href="mailto:manuel@uas.edu.mx" target="_blank">manuel@uas.edu.mx</a>&gt;<br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org" target="_blank">kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: Hello, does anyone know any university that has lines of<br>
        research on the linux kernel<br>
Message-ID: &lt;83653.1569701806@turing-police&gt;<br>
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On Sat, 28 Sep 2019 12:45:11 -0600, Manuel Quintero Fonseca said:<br>
&gt; Hello, does anyone know any university that has lines of research on<br>
&gt; the linux kernel<br>
<br>
Well.. most of the actual code development is being done out in industry<br>
and by individuals.  The stuff that happens in universities is usually more<br>
theoretical (new concepts in memory management, etc), and merely *uses*<br>
Linux as a platform because it&#39;s available.  Pretty much nobody is doing<br>
any research *on* the Linux kernel as itself (unless it&#39;s as a case study in<br>
managing large scale software development, or as a data point for code<br>
quality metrics and other such things).<br>
<br>
And there&#39;s a difference between &quot;University ABC has a professor who&#39;s got this<br>
one project that happens to use Linux in it&quot; and &quot;University DEF has 4<br>
professors and 20 grad students who have set up an official Center For<br>
Something Research&quot;.  So if you&#39;re looking for grad schools, you want to be<br>
looking at things with longevity, like the MIT Media Lab, or Purdue&#39;s computer<br>
security expertise, or a lot of the stuff being done at CMU or Stanford or<br>
Berkeley.  It sucks to transfer to a grad school for 3 years, only to have the<br>
project you transferred for go away a year later....<br>
<br>
(And many of those projects never see the light of day, because they often end<br>
up being some variant of &quot;If we measured metric X better, we could do a better<br>
job of predicting what to do with Y&quot; - but it often turns out that measuring X<br>
better costs more than the added efficiency of Y gains you....)<br>
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Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 16:40:27 -0400<br>
From: Maria Neptune &lt;<a href="mailto:maria.elysse.n@gmail.com" target="_blank">maria.elysse.n@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
To: <a href="mailto:kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org" target="_blank">kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org</a><br>
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Additionally, if you&#39;re really interested in free software at university,<br>
UCLA&#39;s Paul Eggert is pretty prolific. So here may be worth considering.<br>
- Maria<br>
<br>
<br>
On Sat, Sep 28, 2019, 16:17 Valdis Kl?tnieks &lt;<a href="mailto:valdis.kletnieks@vt.edu" target="_blank">valdis.kletnieks@vt.edu</a>&gt;<br>
wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt; On Sat, 28 Sep 2019 12:45:11 -0600, Manuel Quintero Fonseca said:<br>
&gt; &gt; Hello, does anyone know any university that has lines of research on<br>
&gt; &gt; the linux kernel<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Well.. most of the actual code development is being done out in industry<br>
&gt; and by individuals.  The stuff that happens in universities is usually more<br>
&gt; theoretical (new concepts in memory management, etc), and merely *uses*<br>
&gt; Linux as a platform because it&#39;s available.  Pretty much nobody is doing<br>
&gt; any research *on* the Linux kernel as itself (unless it&#39;s as a case study<br>
&gt; in<br>
&gt; managing large scale software development, or as a data point for code<br>
&gt; quality metrics and other such things).<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; And there&#39;s a difference between &quot;University ABC has a professor who&#39;s got<br>
&gt; this<br>
&gt; one project that happens to use Linux in it&quot; and &quot;University DEF has 4<br>
&gt; professors and 20 grad students who have set up an official Center For<br>
&gt; Something Research&quot;.  So if you&#39;re looking for grad schools, you want to be<br>
&gt; looking at things with longevity, like the MIT Media Lab, or Purdue&#39;s<br>
&gt; computer<br>
&gt; security expertise, or a lot of the stuff being done at CMU or Stanford or<br>
&gt; Berkeley.  It sucks to transfer to a grad school for 3 years, only to have<br>
&gt; the<br>
&gt; project you transferred for go away a year later....<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; (And many of those projects never see the light of day, because they often<br>
&gt; end<br>
&gt; up being some variant of &quot;If we measured metric X better, we could do a<br>
&gt; better<br>
&gt; job of predicting what to do with Y&quot; - but it often turns out that<br>
&gt; measuring X<br>
&gt; better costs more than the added efficiency of Y gains you....)<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
&gt; Kernelnewbies mailing list<br>
&gt; <a href="mailto:Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org" target="_blank">Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org</a><br>
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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 10:36:59 +0200<br>
From: Greg KH &lt;<a href="mailto:greg@kroah.com" target="_blank">greg@kroah.com</a>&gt;<br>
To: Valdis Kl?tnieks &lt;<a href="mailto:valdis.kletnieks@vt.edu" target="_blank">valdis.kletnieks@vt.edu</a>&gt;<br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org" target="_blank">kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org</a>, Manuel Quintero Fonseca<br>
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Subject: Re: Hello, does anyone know any university that has lines of<br>
        research on the linux kernel<br>
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On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 04:16:46PM -0400, Valdis Kl?tnieks wrote:<br>
&gt; On Sat, 28 Sep 2019 12:45:11 -0600, Manuel Quintero Fonseca said:<br>
&gt; &gt; Hello, does anyone know any university that has lines of research on<br>
&gt; &gt; the linux kernel<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Well.. most of the actual code development is being done out in industry<br>
&gt; and by individuals.  The stuff that happens in universities is usually more<br>
&gt; theoretical (new concepts in memory management, etc), and merely *uses*<br>
&gt; Linux as a platform because it&#39;s available.  Pretty much nobody is doing<br>
&gt; any research *on* the Linux kernel as itself (unless it&#39;s as a case study in<br>
&gt; managing large scale software development, or as a data point for code<br>
&gt; quality metrics and other such things).<br>
<br>
That&#39;s not true, there are lots of universities doing research *on* the<br>
Linux kernel, as well as doing research *for* the Linux kernel in order<br>
to make it better and to prove/disprove new research theories.<br>
<br>
One example would be the first talk listed here that happened last week:<br>
        <a href="https://kernel-recipes.org/en/2019/live-blog-day-3-2/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://kernel-recipes.org/en/2019/live-blog-day-3-2/</a><br>
It describes how research is being used to both prove that the kernel&#39;s<br>
model of operation is correct (he found bugs in it when doing so) as<br>
well as to advance the development of formal methods.<br>
<br>
There are loads of other research projects doing stuff like this all<br>
over the world, look at the output of computer science papers for lots<br>
of examples of this.<br>
<br>
&gt; And there&#39;s a difference between &quot;University ABC has a professor who&#39;s got this<br>
&gt; one project that happens to use Linux in it&quot; and &quot;University DEF has 4<br>
&gt; professors and 20 grad students who have set up an official Center For<br>
&gt; Something Research&quot;.  So if you&#39;re looking for grad schools, you want to be<br>
&gt; looking at things with longevity, like the MIT Media Lab, or Purdue&#39;s computer<br>
&gt; security expertise, or a lot of the stuff being done at CMU or Stanford or<br>
&gt; Berkeley.  It sucks to transfer to a grad school for 3 years, only to have the<br>
&gt; project you transferred for go away a year later....<br>
<br>
There are lots of these types of &quot;centers of research&quot; at universities<br>
outside of the US as well.  Again, look at papers for examples of common<br>
groups of professors sponsoring projects for where this is happening.  I<br>
don&#39;t want to slight any by only listing a few :)<br>
<br>
thanks,<br>
<br>
greg k-h<br>
<br>
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