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From: Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>
To: Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>
Cc: Dave Jiang <dave.jiang@intel.com>,
	ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org,
	linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org,
	Vishal Verma <vishal.l.verma@intel.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, bpf@vger.kernel.org,
	Dan Carpenter <dan.carpenter@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH v2 3/3] libnvdimm, MAINTAINERS: Maintainer Entry Profile
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 01:09:37 -0600
Message-ID: <20190913010937.7fc20d93@lwn.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9132e214-9b57-07dc-7ee2-f6bc52e960c5@kernel.dk>

On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 16:11:29 -0600
Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk> wrote:

> On 9/11/19 12:43 PM, Dan Carpenter wrote:
> > 
> > I kind of hate all this extra documentation because now everyone thinks
> > they can invent new hoops to jump through.  
> 
> FWIW, I completely agree with Dan (Carpenter) here. I absolutely
> dislike having these kinds of files, and with subsystems imposing weird
> restrictions on style (like the quoted example, yuck).
> 
> Additionally, it would seem saner to standardize rules around when
> code is expected to hit the maintainers hands for kernel releases. Both
> yours and Martins deals with that, there really shouldn't be the need
> to have this specified in detail per sub-system.

This sort of objection came up at the maintainers summit yesterday; the
consensus was that, while we might not like subsystem-specific rules, they
do currently exist and we're just documenting reality.  To paraphrase
Phillip K. Dick, reality is that which, when you refuse to document it,
doesn't go away.

So I'm expecting to take this kind of stuff into Documentation/.  My own
personal hope is that it can maybe serve to shame some of these "local
quirks" out of existence.  The evidence from this brief discussion suggests
that this might indeed happen.

Thanks,

jon
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Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-09-11 15:48 [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH v2 0/3] Maintainer Entry Profiles Dan Williams
2019-09-11 15:48 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH v2 1/3] MAINTAINERS: Reclaim the P: tag for Maintainer Entry Profile Dan Williams
2019-09-13 15:37   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-09-11 15:48 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH v2 2/3] Maintainer Handbook: " Dan Williams
2019-09-16 12:35   ` Jani Nikula
2019-10-01 13:55   ` Jonathan Corbet
2019-10-01 18:17     ` Martin K. Petersen
2019-11-07 20:13     ` Jonathan Corbet
2019-11-08  2:41       ` Dan Williams
2019-09-11 15:48 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH v2 3/3] libnvdimm, MAINTAINERS: " Dan Williams
2019-09-11 17:42   ` Vishal Verma
2019-09-11 18:43   ` Dan Carpenter
2019-09-11 22:11     ` Jens Axboe
2019-09-12  7:41       ` Dan Williams
     [not found]         ` <CANiq72k2so3ZcqA3iRziGY=Shd_B1=qGoXXROeAF7Y3+pDmqyA@mail.gmail.com>
2019-09-12 10:18           ` Joe Perches
2019-09-13  7:09       ` Jonathan Corbet [this message]
2019-09-13 11:48         ` Dan Carpenter
2019-09-13 12:18           ` Dan Williams
2019-09-13 15:00           ` Randy Dunlap
2019-09-13 15:46             ` Rob Herring
2019-09-13 16:42               ` Joe Perches
2019-09-13 19:32                 ` Rob Herring
2019-09-13 17:57             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-09-16 12:42           ` Jani Nikula
     [not found]           ` <20190917161608.GA12866@ziepe.ca>
2019-09-17 21:59             ` Dan Williams
2019-09-13 21:44       ` Martin K. Petersen
2019-09-16  7:01         ` Dan Carpenter
2019-09-16 17:08           ` Martin K. Petersen
2019-09-16 17:15             ` Mark Brown
2019-09-11 20:30   ` Joe Perches
2019-09-13 16:19   ` [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH] media: add a subsystem profile documentation Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-09-13 16:19     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-09-17  3:35     ` [Ksummit-discuss] single maintainer profile directory (was Re: [PATCH] media: add a subsystem profile documentation) Kees Cook
2019-09-17 13:28       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-09-17 16:33         ` Kees Cook
2019-09-18 11:23           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-09-18 17:39             ` Kees Cook
2019-09-18 18:35               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-09-21 19:13             ` Jonathan Corbet
2019-09-21 19:45               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-09-23 22:45               ` Kees Cook
2019-09-18 12:36     ` [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH] media: add a subsystem profile documentation Laurent Pinchart
2019-09-18 13:57       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-09-18 17:27         ` Laurent Pinchart
2019-09-18 18:48           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-09-19  7:08             ` Dan Carpenter
2019-09-20  5:29               ` Joe Perches
2019-09-20 14:09                 ` Daniel Vetter
2019-09-19  6:56         ` Dan Carpenter
2019-09-19  7:22           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-09-19  8:49             ` Jani Nikula
2019-09-19  8:58               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-09-19  9:52                 ` Jani Nikula
2019-09-20 14:53             ` Laurent Pinchart
2019-09-20 14:59               ` Doug Anderson
2019-09-21  8:56                 ` Jani Nikula
2019-09-23 15:58                   ` Doug Anderson
2019-09-23 16:04                     ` Jonathan Corbet
2019-09-19  9:52           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-09-25 17:13           ` Joe Perches
2019-09-25 18:40             ` Kees Cook
2019-09-26 15:14               ` Joe Perches
2019-09-26 15:53                 ` Kees Cook
2019-09-26 16:02                   ` Joe Perches
2019-09-26 16:24                     ` Kees Cook
2019-09-26 10:25             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-09-18 13:59       ` [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH v2] " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
     [not found]         ` <1e479f17-dbc8-b44d-bd1e-4229a6dbf151@collabora.com>
2019-09-18 14:11           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-09-11 16:40 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH v2 0/3] Maintainer Entry Profiles Martin K. Petersen
2019-09-12 13:31   ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-12 15:34     ` Joe Perches
2019-09-12 20:01       ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-12 20:34         ` Joe Perches
2019-09-13 14:26           ` Rob Herring
2019-09-13 18:42             ` Joe Perches
2019-09-13 19:17               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-09-13 20:33                 ` Joe Perches
2019-09-13 12:56         ` Matthew Wilcox
2019-09-13 13:54           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-09-13 14:59             ` Guenter Roeck
2019-09-13 22:03     ` Martin K. Petersen
2019-09-12 13:10 ` Bart Van Assche

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