From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 354E9139C; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 16:34:24 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1664555650; bh=3zWxdH8sXT33FbMc4doFfyvYiySHCK+56G14z1qLRwU=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Date:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:In-Reply-To; b=PcF+bMpchmAH6+VCT2UI4htW6DEO7SQQ82sziJ9u/9uttPLHYRqGpl93z487H8bZ2 Oov5YOlyoWAsZtS3tCqvxnRXs2PeNVqvpMZj50xVaEfM0zX0RWkefX3ak/W6ZZqlWV PO19Qma2PZ9zSDoxhBJPm8LUebDQMtJE9IXyXZj0= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [192.168.1.252] ([5.166.161.56]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx105 [212.227.17.174]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MpUYu-1p1YNS2MMW-00pqlM; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 18:34:10 +0200 Message-ID: <3cfaef48-744f-000f-1be5-6f96d64dea24@gmx.com> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2022 16:34:08 +0000 Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.3.1 Subject: Re: Planned changes for bugzilla.kernel.org to reduce the "Bugzilla blues" To: "Bird, Tim" , Laurent Pinchart , Thorsten Leemhuis Cc: Slade Watkins , Konstantin Ryabitsev , "workflows@vger.kernel.org" , LKML , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Linus Torvalds , "regressions@lists.linux.dev" , "ksummit@lists.linux.dev" References: <05d149a0-e3de-8b09-ecc0-3ea73e080be3@leemhuis.info> <93a37d72-9a88-2eec-5125-9db3d67f5b65@gmx.com> <20220929130410.hxtmwmoogzkwcey7@meerkat.local> <7b427b41-9446-063d-3161-e43eb2e353f9@gmx.com> <20220929135325.4riz4ijva2vc7q5p@meerkat.local> <95c3384b-53d0-fd6c-6ec5-a7e03fdeddfc@gmx.com> From: "Artem S. Tashkinov" In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:kse/28aPLtGmqGjjXZgR1b6Qfc3LOQrx3vRwvnNBr8/KW22As4+ lIggKreAYdNcT1+7zc+DsXGRcZL1Uu/O6c/z3L/Cq4rmKbkSvR1OmJkEZ+bi1t4VF8s1znC steXm60GQjttlJcUHi64dBSKvfEAUylTqQPcKq34/JhUswbJisKNuqQMhkoOCmU9JQkRJtU k8lW6M5zFjkCrJi6y+Buw== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:oO6iha8tZbM=:mufWOqKYMfiWLCeAKGBbos HVL+Oy4hsVhEL24MMd1yATAxLWZN4SgdDMZB0DQ+LulP6l28k5ClbbGVmwmimL/BiBL3XWrNQ dig8Y9ZLjId/zNFoUyGZZ3kJ98NntljuoQwk6yY/Nye46wLBP7cWf4D1h7W+BvUhgbJfKr2U8 +0XP3sr+0cRvlA7hx7as3tEP3a35gQVGkoGmtzAo0wsrwCn2WnDnnjJeinICQ/usTZagSHw/K mwkdUjuBxNOt27FlBpNpQkro2YRR0sjsKjy9WRi5Ojs786WUQ2l4c5bas54JUNsE9Rk8tXS0z XrKhiDyajqs9EP0e5XrLvPZ0JBcn8El0TmA7Lilk3bUoLTPk9EDE6oyZ9ehKkykaVhEsdjo8O wpJ3L6ttapxW4L0pMjNG8iWsZ9szQ7f5onjSI/1Yio5XXf+ArGJTX4ea8i+FQQRZy/8/1Xv4o CLZYTPkX/blOSdgtrGT3sf97PvHejfvtBAXopU2U3j3uw11imk8GfgLSkQqsrwIV2A1HWyPEm zAxMqK9Lwq54g0zzpRUcliudV1pJkoTC6+342E6bJGuCEYwEvjf/ghOQ+s3bINHqpGKYwLUGg uEPB8m+0egvNEDJuMsCpWwJYOGiTA3UaPVMSISeRqyuy5Pxpt1WuTYlJRPhzobFe+BUHfunnB 4UtFXXIfmLWDAEx+GqNsyk/dDzo89+e/PW6SLuCeQ/TNPFTblv8bzomGLIRf7RHdK66bXpQyp SSnt0IzJ8fVYgrpmjf3ZkaQdrN8/xRPam8S+mpAIbKOUmsYg897qsOs2mqjPPsiVNXsM9aKWZ Fl0Dabk9tbPTn01x0Ao5Ii4RTaZ6Z0jqH4QGP4wjsWMvEXBWqJcCt9PSztU0DFRs8KUUt6Lvy sJORGLV9LCCh6qVgOHn21VUVq6tVoVpT1/4IHZoiatMONIB5ngXleq/sbrpWVrOs19ROpOywd r7Ak31BiviD9Jp62xCP1wZH0glrNgrrnbprSjTwYbGJi1QAHa6mpIljMifVNYk3MU1IQzUfik dh9hMm7KPXd+Qanp03SYdR3+dcK0aW5KS4KVBk8Y60xrYs8R5yB7TgdoXWvS8p9vLHXlDN1la /SoEFi7a2L8HgB7/qExUEJwlED2krmVR5zlQaKpze6Y5iijBNDiU+hzIMKSJ/lX92MjOUpWG+ vHwjE+8a8nDLnc/IV+n9erD3JD On 9/30/22 16:19, Bird, Tim wrote: > E-mails sent from a web interface could have as much structure as you'd = like. > So one avenue would be to set up a nice interface for bug reporting, tha= t just > delivered the form data in e-mail format to the proposed bug-receiving m= ail list. > > Also, if an e-mail receiver (something automated) gave a quick response = on missing fields, I think > you could quickly train users (even first-time bug submitters) to provid= e required > data, even if they're sending from a free-form e-mail client. > > Just my 2 cents. > > -- Tim Debian uses an email based bug tracker and you know what? Most people avoid it like a plague. It's a hell on earth to use. Ubunutu's Launchpad which looks and feels like Bugzilla is a hundred times more popular. Sometimes programmers have to realize that most people around are not as smart as they are. Best regards, Artem