From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 58894C52 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2019 22:05:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-io1-f43.google.com (mail-io1-f43.google.com [209.85.166.43]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E62A35E4 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2019 22:05:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-io1-f43.google.com with SMTP id o9so12313856iom.3 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2019 15:05:21 -0700 (PDT) To: Theodore Ts'o References: <96c97a27-83a2-b86c-2880-984c9fa6d4b5@linuxfoundation.org> <20190531021421.GA8123@mit.edu> <20190603155102.GX2456@sirena.org.uk> From: Shuah Khan Message-ID: <8439c28e-ef1f-be85-bcf5-61f9fd1d4078@linuxfoundation.org> Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 16:05:19 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] (withdrawn) Talking code or talking in code! List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , On 6/3/19 11:39 AM, Shuah Khan wrote: > On 6/3/19 9:51 AM, Mark Brown wrote: >> On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 09:42:52AM -0600, Shuah Khan wrote: >> >>> Let me go over my vision for this time slot at the Maintainers Summit >>> if we choose to add it. This isn't going to be a long deep dive session >>> on the research. I asked Isabella to work with the following outline: >> >>> - A short summary of Sentimine >>> - A short survey of 2 or 3 emails. We do the survey - I can have her >>>    share the survey format ahead of time. Based on my recollection of >>>    the survey from OSLS presentation, it asks participants to identify >>>    the tone of the email. Positive/negative/neutral. >>> - Isabella compares these results to the tool's analysis. The goal >>>    is to see how far off the tool's analysis from real developers >>>    take on these emails. >> >> Does that need to be done at the summit or could it be done offline with >> the summit attendees (or with a list of people pulled from the active >> developers stats or something for that matter)?  But then... >> > > I like this idea. This helps us gather data from more developers than > just the Maintainer summit attendees. We can do this after the trial > run at the Maintainer summit, provided we do add the topic to the > agenda. > >>> In addition, I think the tool should also look at clarity of >>> communication not just tone. To me this is the most useful part for >>> us. My motivation and goal is to explore if we can take this opportunity >>> to influence the direction of this research to look at what would be >>> useful to us as a community. >> >> ...it does sound like a useful way of kicking off a discussion.  Perhaps >> the survey could be done in advance and then the discussion jump >> straight on to any differences in evaluation?  I do agree that clarity >> is worth looking at, especially with regard to non-native English >> speakers. >> > > Doing survey ahead of time would help us spend more time on differences > in evaluation and help identify areas for improvement in the tool and > the assumptions it is making. > > If we chose to go this route, I can work with Isabella to send the > survey out a day or two in advance to gather data. > Hi Ted, The research to get clarity of communication hasn't produced results that could of any value so far. It needs more work. Focusing on just tone in my mind is one dimensional and not useful. I don't see the point in wasting cycles at Maintainer and Kernel summits on this topic. I deiced to withdraw this proposal. Thanks for the time and discussion. thanks, -- Shuah