From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mout-xforward.gmx.net (mout-xforward.gmx.net [82.165.159.14]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 90A467C; Sun, 2 Oct 2022 19:46:39 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1664739988; bh=6Kl+OQnone/lcVrvuxSt7WtLUF4kmTmxDXwKD2lKkFw=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Date:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:In-Reply-To; b=KcjFNuX2QUi6Dx1g7IzpzW0pHWKJwl7w8e444OvixBf+S/WqMmY0tgeS49Eu20OrQ TzSbLfnth4KeB/ddHT//oRdD6ppKfOVzgG2NQIv9Q2G/nPwrIdprnGrQvlvF5XTpUY 3ly/HG1L7dWU7JzJkAVtgF3ZrefpGIAqMDnxZxaY= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [10.13.110.23] ([143.244.37.73]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx004 [212.227.17.184]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MgeoI-1p8eRE2iKa-00h7lM; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 21:46:28 +0200 Message-ID: <958c557f-6bc1-4126-026d-8a5f685df47a@gmx.com> Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2022 19:46:26 +0000 Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Planned changes for bugzilla.kernel.org to reduce the "Bugzilla blues" To: Geert Uytterhoeven Cc: Theodore Ts'o , Thorsten Leemhuis , Greg KH , Konstantin Ryabitsev , workflows@vger.kernel.org, LKML , Linus Torvalds , "regressions@lists.linux.dev" , ksummit@lists.linux.dev, Mario Limonciello References: <05d149a0-e3de-8b09-ecc0-3ea73e080be3@leemhuis.info> <9a2fdff8-d0d3-ebba-d344-3c1016237fe5@gmx.com> <83f6dd2b-784a-e6d3-ebaf-6ad9cfe4eefe@gmx.com> <79bb605a-dab8-972d-aa4a-a5e5ee49387c@gmx.com> From: "Artem S. Tashkinov" In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:Unn7MI7g42hwVYE44CvJEt2cFDsQS+a3XlJh3dV9v1js8r2X69b urvccO5wBa9zhrdGj/6ONZoar/yZCeE9079fthXYBSgcMq4Yobxn3pu3HeZTntf3rH4M5U1 6AZMNI6YCtGQJeM75EPbg3kI0+NjaTvo+eETxoMWKjKT47YF0u1zIG7Sk4uLTO0WPC4vVe9 KE+ZeW1dDCP3wvCNScj7g== X-Spam-Flag: YES X-UI-Out-Filterresults: junk:10;V03:K0:nktRTY4l4ao=:sOCUvY0nI/yplMakPAR+Ne6k CHWRGSkh0R4ob/+Zk+jAS5Iihet9tmLmn4psjToun1XmhYHQzYTE/p4I6A7krPw6jXuy9gUFN 151ppivz9DbAZEyIb3GGmvglI71MpaiY6RfwPVfY58qTgMvw3hsDPAE+pZEmr06BHJnXc6aIx JVESW6k0PcvS69f5Xh/bODxsjAUQEC/sKGnK9egioj2982idJ8FakgMg7SCBpD7+A4Mn5GjNo wQnf3biBU5E21KP9P9WIqH3smC0NAdTlvZNJdZhnp/9iJEsvWrIm01LiKIDFOzHMh5oTzK43g VAI7dGX5OLEB409omL8Xg5tvITT4HbLaLdXYCPdgz9WOXIKgfaD8nOZyl31oElFwtLHRut+5Q MhKL6dvTGEiyumf9+/7OC0HTcU0bC7TdW2kH8QXoxEnUsgKxogZYUCLwj0o3T1aEl7kLwtKOB NZW7QdaYzykrxvklHB7B/m1KH7dEZNSZORVwY5h0El2pfE8Ig1CEZ33sA0ngEBMkEKebIMjzb uIpKe7iBhTCIDnemipb40R4OoRQnzHh0J+BMevslRHY3rmM72QuuIwuWmMD4Qro4shq3WkN4T KWh0wjrKKHrnF+8Id19+hhAqccKd7oH+Hy14jiv7dQj5Vp8tzXxh36k1qtIMFjgF4jKepvTBV orXKZRHbASigu+ZceFi0FmLeDWzsOY+3quec+jnmDgv0XvPnT0YBa3cjW4ObzSSs/nGt6tUw8 bHxuv7FS/F91ITJBYEiJcBbrUKRcU/BHMNFv1H+VBo6BfKbc1Mg4eqlI4ubIWVtIKJcVMMRzM QILvQsYLmMpRcgqEdGg7pzKvhVGgtveS0xey4bG8ImA0FDu8pj5mnNUuaa8A6LBbWQ8S247UZ mROhLl+47M+9VE8hqoPCWevNo07B0NkF7Am3PkPQ9FBaW8HX0dFn4VmpG2KKrJHh/MWqQ00aD AAsQtuf38iusozGfsHH6RUqtpPnyfZyq/by+epET+u+FJuvtCWHYPnI8OWd6D4AB7bPW8feQb U1T7HoG2mvVm/qJ4dElGgWT7F8pf+eUt8dNALdd0KDiaTevmjJ6DOkC7YaRQmIT7nbJlisvV9 S5PGsODDuXAWKq3tdZdR0Z8gRXIDgw5R2bZTP0lOsZapWJ9P54UoQV9hx8Wr4FDBgris8UY8h 5cTywVdeUIEqoJkxPEeMuyhG3NXMrnEpkVT404M/d4RuBQ== On 10/2/22 16:08, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > Hi Artem, > > On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 2:49 PM Artem S. Tashkinov wrote: >> The current ill-maintained semi-functional bugzilla has proven to be a >> ton more useful than random mailing lists no sane person can keep track >> of. Bug "reports", i.e. random emails are neglected and forgotten. LKML >> is the worst of them probably. > > Such a statement really needs to be backed by numbers... > >> Let's operate with some examples: >> >> Bugzilla gets around two dozen bug reports weekly which encompass at >> most thirty emails, which equals to four emails daily on average. > > This immediately debunks your statement above. > > $ git log v5.19..linus/master | grep Fixes: | wc -l > 2928 > > So that's 46 bugs fixed per _day_. Most of them not reported > through bugzilla... I don't know what it debunks. Bugs reported in the last 7 days: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/buglist.cgi?chfield=3D%5BBug%20creation%5D&chf= ieldfrom=3D7d Check for yourself please. I don't see anything even remotely close to your numbers and I tend to believe you've calculated something incorrectly. Regards, Artem