From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from premium237-5.web-hosting.com (premium237-5.web-hosting.com [66.29.146.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AB0085395; Thu, 29 Sep 2022 15:39:23 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sladewatkins.net; s=default; h=To:References:Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Subject:Mime-Version: Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=bhJ9ijaSrg8Q+iqIaQe6wLGB9ZwmWZRAjaxAvMQnDDY=; b=TmfJx7SJEmrvukW5mmoQnYn35S lfgwfPVrEFMbjnPKdUOEJY0kY2aD6VEChuL2+9nQiA23OFHvMPbfwniErdA8xfv109X4wK4K4paEw ndbIVCPQiGGlKFE3o3xKUMkE+v8CJ/7nnbKzRQCNC7yNv9KqNET+Yha6bRSYk9di8sImT/Lysex0U zrFExlNefn6xeoB2yjUK0iX5p+75PDOmGHI8roUJCPyPZWKr2PSVKMwD6kQ02L+DGvh5VzjhlDgIp lTyDJXFgqP1P1ct9u+ITXKDujYtsYjV7LZA+t8iIUj9LMNUC9+xhtlLQHjjFUldbiNPRIPsVGDSUj b5A63veg==; Received: from pool-108-4-135-94.albyny.fios.verizon.net ([108.4.135.94]:49863 helo=smtpclient.apple) by premium237.web-hosting.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.95) (envelope-from ) id 1odvdC-00HRHw-Jt; Thu, 29 Sep 2022 11:39:22 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.120.41.1.1\)) Subject: Re: Planned changes for bugzilla.kernel.org to reduce the "Bugzilla blues" From: Slade Watkins In-Reply-To: <20220929153135.vu43n5kgdj4a3at6@meerkat.local> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2022 11:39:20 -0400 Cc: "Artem S. Tashkinov" , Thorsten Leemhuis , workflows@vger.kernel.org, LKML , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Linus Torvalds , "regressions@lists.linux.dev" , ksummit@lists.linux.dev Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <05d149a0-e3de-8b09-ecc0-3ea73e080be3@leemhuis.info> <93a37d72-9a88-2eec-5125-9db3d67f5b65@gmx.com> <20220929130410.hxtmwmoogzkwcey7@meerkat.local> <7b427b41-9446-063d-3161-e43eb2e353f9@gmx.com> <20220929135325.4riz4ijva2vc7q5p@meerkat.local> <95c3384b-53d0-fd6c-6ec5-a7e03fdeddfc@gmx.com> <20220929153135.vu43n5kgdj4a3at6@meerkat.local> To: Konstantin Ryabitsev X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.120.41.1.1) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - premium237.web-hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lists.linux.dev X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - sladewatkins.net X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: premium237.web-hosting.com: authenticated_id: srw@sladewatkins.net X-Authenticated-Sender: premium237.web-hosting.com: srw@sladewatkins.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-From-Rewrite: unmodified, already matched Hey there, > On Sep 29, 2022, at 11:31 AM, Konstantin Ryabitsev = wrote: >=20 > On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 02:22:10PM +0000, Artem S. Tashkinov wrote: >> * Delete all the components. >> * Leave a catch-all one. >> * Let bug reports rot because no one will ever see them. Almost just >> like now. Don't remind me of mailing lists. >=20 > This is my proposal, except also: >=20 > 1. post all new bugs and comments to a public-inbox feed that people = can query > via lore.kernel.org and tooling like lei. Honestly, giving it a lot more thought, this is a brilliant idea. >=20 >> Mailing lists will not work for such a huge project. Period. In the >> early 90s they worked, but we are 25 years later with millions more >> users. With a ton more of a ton more complicated hardware. >=20 > We've recognized this a while ago, which is why our efforts have been = targeted > at query-based message feeds. Hence, tools like lore.kernel.org and = lei. It's > a work in progress, for sure, but it doesn't require any "everyone = must switch > workflows today" kind of coordination, and avoids introducing single = points of > failure by making it easy to replicate everything to mirrored systems. My parents taught me growing up that you can only ever _improve_: you = can never be perfect.=20 Needless to say, it=E2=80=99s worth a shot. Best, -srw