From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mail-qk1-f174.google.com (mail-qk1-f174.google.com [209.85.222.174]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1A5267B; Sun, 2 Oct 2022 16:08:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qk1-f174.google.com with SMTP id h28so5487478qka.0; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 09:08:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=HriaR9SbJdHeOwl1T1L8SB1ypd9OI4wcQH5thMKc5u8=; b=og35oo7IwI09WlwugN2cAcj5ahCQjobKYb02zWTR/YwADM7dXjfNoXo44f3K/7YYqb azwVQl9p9NeQaUbhJXNRSvRipThXhBYRndSCipqoSh2CO8f/TVtNSPaeWXcxR9Inzl+S 7051n7/Y/oNk4aG2z4jIwIIxv0z7On165XxaxKYu2RoYBfMWrJgzsMGXgaYvZg0M1K5R vlDdT0VxwYze/eFnTpnG/nSynLxdWHYh/lm/2GQC5A/maNvLGXytqwxmO+xo734XyfA3 nxf4Y8E39uZOBmtkA82n0u6hd2/J7cdEVLU3AAp17EMREE7HwiNOgIKAyrKyQxKezBOw 7dlw== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf2hDyWLqzlsdi2a1A4cptdRZ+Ws/oRfaAi9XvrqdKVbl3INZimZ TA6ytWbDkxY7M46H6DFtF0k9bLIGQ7P7Rw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM704nxj4tBDoJcatKq2GQSNsmmlqYyBfaVRlO3bQCJfjINslWmjMFwyNfb/GECsbrku4Sm/2w== X-Received: by 2002:a37:40e:0:b0:6cb:be14:1818 with SMTP id 14-20020a37040e000000b006cbbe141818mr11726540qke.284.1664726905775; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 09:08:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw1-f171.google.com (mail-yw1-f171.google.com. [209.85.128.171]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id bl14-20020a05622a244e00b0034456277e3asm6947937qtb.89.2022.10.02.09.08.24 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 02 Oct 2022 09:08:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-yw1-f171.google.com with SMTP id 00721157ae682-3321c2a8d4cso86700687b3.5; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 09:08:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a81:98d:0:b0:357:2422:13b4 with SMTP id 135-20020a81098d000000b00357242213b4mr8099058ywj.316.1664726904607; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 09:08:24 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <05d149a0-e3de-8b09-ecc0-3ea73e080be3@leemhuis.info> <9a2fdff8-d0d3-ebba-d344-3c1016237fe5@gmx.com> <83f6dd2b-784a-e6d3-ebaf-6ad9cfe4eefe@gmx.com> <79bb605a-dab8-972d-aa4a-a5e5ee49387c@gmx.com> In-Reply-To: <79bb605a-dab8-972d-aa4a-a5e5ee49387c@gmx.com> From: Geert Uytterhoeven Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2022 18:08:10 +0200 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: Planned changes for bugzilla.kernel.org to reduce the "Bugzilla blues" To: "Artem S. Tashkinov" Cc: "Theodore Ts'o" , Thorsten Leemhuis , Greg KH , Konstantin Ryabitsev , workflows@vger.kernel.org, LKML , Linus Torvalds , "regressions@lists.linux.dev" , ksummit@lists.linux.dev, Mario Limonciello Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Artem, On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 2:49 PM Artem S. Tashkinov wrote: > The current ill-maintained semi-functional bugzilla has proven to be a > ton more useful than random mailing lists no sane person can keep track > of. Bug "reports", i.e. random emails are neglected and forgotten. LKML > is the worst of them probably. Such a statement really needs to be backed by numbers... > Let's operate with some examples: > > Bugzilla gets around two dozen bug reports weekly which encompass at > most thirty emails, which equals to four emails daily on average. This immediately debunks your statement above. $ git log v5.19..linus/master | grep Fixes: | wc -l 2928 So that's 46 bugs fixed per _day_. Most of them not reported through bugzilla... > LKML alone sees up to a hundred emails _daily_. > > Getting worked up about it? I'm dumbfounded to be honest. Gr{oetje,eeting}s, Geert -- Geert Uytterhoeven -- There's lots of Linux beyond ia32 -- geert@linux-m68k.org In personal conversations with technical people, I call myself a hacker. But when I'm talking to journalists I just say "programmer" or something like that. -- Linus Torvalds