From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mout-xforward.gmx.net (mout-xforward.gmx.net [82.165.159.42]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A3E5B3D6A; Sun, 2 Oct 2022 21:38:39 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1664746703; bh=Gra+K7fbFtj2EaMWU1nwypxGq8BbiAXHcRCw/1nvCZU=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Date:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:In-Reply-To; b=LD4oGHIBXYpvwI5f2RcbFAcjZErkPFTft/1jPm1WX/PQ4Ed+Om/pp/XzWghy15pLM uHtEAz9/bw7PzWEWjYNFAK9tgds+RA7d8zRKVvfa4EZq0wISZ5qbOdT7tgNC3ZWIuW n2xi2TSKD89xNW6NN+fA0F1E++luog9PlzHca2Xc= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [10.13.110.23] ([143.244.37.73]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx105 [212.227.17.174]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1N4Qwg-1pNtKT2ShS-011TEm; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 23:38:23 +0200 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2022 21:38:21 +0000 Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Planned changes for bugzilla.kernel.org to reduce the "Bugzilla blues" To: Laurent Pinchart Cc: Slade Watkins , Theodore Ts'o , Thorsten Leemhuis , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Konstantin Ryabitsev , workflows@vger.kernel.org, LKML , Linus Torvalds , "regressions@lists.linux.dev" , ksummit@lists.linux.dev, Mario Limonciello References: <83f6dd2b-784a-e6d3-ebaf-6ad9cfe4eefe@gmx.com> <79bb605a-dab8-972d-aa4a-a5e5ee49387c@gmx.com> <11098E44-8BB4-4318-9BE1-A659573E6BA4@sladewatkins.net> <20ddd12f-7277-f343-885d-b39d9ab5c2c3@gmx.com> From: "Artem S. Tashkinov" In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:WYIHWXtHsTG/iGYEojZI7OVIbS4TLrbRlbiSCV4HzbtbwBpmLYY ltPVxt7xWme+KEumRos/AAMipS7Zv7UzU5+Nm/ed9++klcTIef0ljLiUOlNc1MuE6tL4oXo 5tfmHwjSvPqGIP36TY0aSA1Buj5MIHUcC4G3AcqeRUiJHkS4KLdrqXDu63OtaIoBPaBZ6Wk OzAlziaCc827Oa7PRZOKQ== X-Spam-Flag: YES X-UI-Out-Filterresults: junk:10;V03:K0:1RK4q78BxyU=:oUKVva7eTarg0/Bgho5iUoPC kCsGYN8xeZJWsKymyYdkoQe0nI/Nj8xKTaZDqbFq7/ioUie0F0Y1Bwt2aEcydLGuetqboswxj 5sj7SQCuOxCPpijOXZaFqFyCSn6gxm4wMgTIh0zxYS+0AIMM1N5AJs+T1aQR98bUVZXe5qIy5 EXGyH0erJ38LhNWK9hzyt6kMIN1ABc3MFPb4dES0FCBrHk3ceVrpHZe8uFf1YZ3EdhDPT+jUV KDvRfWt8bH031eeiH+7UHUjfeQ50OGQz5/KQnhMfKATaHDbsddMUL/Q50xEhfJEw7hJzuqhiJ BVVT4QYwTdQ99mEc4ylM39wvZNAWsp0mAxMspTWDYifGru0xNYiZ19rZFiVJE12bBy6GmxDwR MBjAJ1/EzSRAYG9jvJ0yxLhUk37Bc9q3L5PRnChkvWbjWXVYIFzodAgLdW60uuwfv/YWj+uZL Eb4xn9JTXoXyGAlPFfNh8O2xMjvV4IpaWFL9qthLuHK0cRFA/owB+hLzS48U1rXsCLNXzCsPD 8bUwqfqY6vuoG88mjn5eCFKPwaJ4ZptNTpm+h3l7TWdxNqNCubUFLsUorV6vR+bx3c1eprt8h FzN7dpiARtByonXT/Zn7Q11YrgrXoqpOvywBdtybHp94sIXRF7X+YPYCxUtAMANbZYv1E28UF +ZAV/3/nHrSFuKFH8cK5ob1IG4xuynv8qBG38fLeGsaMVzhrOwJSTu5UD4io1VpsX8iHnYdEW oRSS0Tisuaf7HIECc4105hDH8U6WlS4JjqDeb79G/XRkDKUv08FFN0dOLKPIV2XBzj6MSGruJ 3OojadePAo0a83dZMng0qdF96bFcbXwr4vFgr3+xJRqL6ZiLTenWPDVri13v3euMDyzWMuNf+ OXhjztQ0eVdtqDJCTJI+vuSRVZARBDrwFbvh3YlfNlvWgXIWzyo2xX/cEyA0EpXvinTuy1ANb iFaSUH+rh2eSLDRCo+St4SlxL0KszGuJNGU1M9FVwm6VrrtvakZ5Bg2TiSGJ9z5vrBSK4Sdmr 8HVvMMJQkEw7w9BgB1q5gjDcKB6KyuKQJv28OG1TJUgZnbERXQMdRRwqmhH0FaD1t+Ua/qU/W xX1cB/rLRibG12/Vs8USu7z9z5hsAPabU0AMlGRICbi+uVnVa4MahwZ0M/gxhEPWFJyiVxrxv Qlis9TljOvwrUADDoiIdB7r6VaYfPMEN5SGDTp90lKKIIQ== On 10/2/22 21:11, Laurent Pinchart wrote: > > Do you realize how insulting this is, for all the developers and > maintainers who spend lots of their free time doing their best ? It's > all very nice to complain and rant, but if you want things to move > forward, lead the effort and work on it. > Considering how much I've poured into this discussion already and all my _unpaid_ work to improve Linux over the past 25+ years, to accuse me of this sounds like pure insult. The part your replied to? That was thinly veiled sarcasm seeing such strong resistance from people who have seemingly never even visited bugzilla. I'm appalled you took it at face value. I'm taken aback by people who oppose bugzilla which has helped resolve criticial issues and implement important features in a manner which wouldn't be possible using email. It's my only reaction. I'm alive and it pains me to see a decent collaborative tool being harshly criticized to no end with no _working_ alternatives being proposed. Regards, Artem