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[178.164.237.246]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m2sm1066081ejg.7.2020.07.07.16.54.08 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 07 Jul 2020 16:54:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Tibor Raschko To: Arvind Sankar References: <20200706191555.GD6176@sirena.org.uk> <44713cf0-db41-bdd0-a41e-d710c346be12@gmail.com> <20200707212641.GA1575320@rani.riverdale.lan> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 01:54:07 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200707212641.GA1575320@rani.riverdale.lan> Content-Language: en-US X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 08 Jul 2020 04:07:03 +0000 Cc: ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org, Greg Kroah-Hartman , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, tech-board-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [Tech-board-discuss] [PATCH] CodingStyle: Inclusive Terminology X-BeenThere: ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: ksummit-discuss-bounces@lists.linuxfoundation.org Sender: "Ksummit-discuss" > Blacklist most definitely has a negative connotation in technical use. > You blacklist devices that don't work properly, you blacklist drivers > that don't work for your hardware, you blacklist domains that are > sending spam or trying to mount network attacks on your servers. Things > on the blacklist are "bad" in one way or the other, that's the reason > they're on it. > Of course, we put "bad" things on a blacklist. But in computing, only technical things, not black people. What I meant with "blacklist has no negative connotation" was that when we use the word "blacklist", nobody actually thinks about people or skin color. Blocking bad IP addresses or faulty devices is surely non-offensive. If you argue that instead of this, what we really care about is "black" things generally meaning something "bad", then forbidding "blacklist" will not get us any closer to our goal. This is because we have a hundred other "black" phrases in our language: black economy, black sheep, black market, to blacken, a blackleg, a blackguard, a black mark ... only a couple of examples from the top of my head. My point is we will never get rid of the bad connotations in "black". "Black" is always going to assume and remain something "unwanted", even after 2020. This is why I think this whole campaign of removing "blacklist" is utterly ridiculous and ineffective. The real problem is that a group of people have been marked and labeled with such a negative word. If we want to remove the negative association from black people, we should stop calling them black. That'd be productive in the long run, since afro-americans then wouldn't be associated with something "bad" anymore. But all the supporters of the campaign keep calling them something ba" by calling them black, and hope to make a difference by banning 2 or 3 totally unrelated phrases out of probably 50. The whole campaign is pointless and rides on emotion and media attention instead of rational thinking. I support avoiding references to master, slave, and to slavery in general. I oppose avoiding blacklist. Raschko T. _______________________________________________ Ksummit-discuss mailing list Ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ksummit-discuss