From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D71581045 for ; Fri, 31 May 2019 12:12:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oi1-f171.google.com (mail-oi1-f171.google.com [209.85.167.171]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47CF17D2 for ; Fri, 31 May 2019 12:12:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oi1-f171.google.com with SMTP id 203so7476462oid.13 for ; Fri, 31 May 2019 05:12:35 -0700 (PDT) To: Matthew Wilcox , "Theodore Y. Ts'o" References: <96c97a27-83a2-b86c-2880-984c9fa6d4b5@linuxfoundation.org> <20190531021421.GA8123@mit.edu> From: Laura Abbott Message-ID: Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 08:12:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Talking code or talking in code! List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , On 5/30/19 10:42 PM, Matthew Wilcox wrote: > I'd be interested to know how this compares to Dawn Foster's work that was presented last year: https://ossna18.sched.com/event/FAON/kernel-mailing-list-collaboration-dawn-m-foster-the-scale-factory > I saw Dawn Fosters's talk a few times. Dawn Foster's work was focused more on properties effecting communication (companies, time zones etc.) than communication style from what I remember. I don't think actual sentiment behind the e-mails was covered much. (I could also only be remembering the graphs I saw) Thanks, Laura > On Thu., May 30, 2019, 22:15 Theodore Ts'o, > wrote: > > On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 04:19:20PM -0600, Shuah Khan wrote: > > We as a community talk code in emails. Do we talk in code at times? How > > effective are we in communicating with each other? > > > > I would like to propose a topic to explore our communication styles to > > get a better understanding of how effective we are. I am hoping, we > > could become more productive, if we get some insight into whether or not > > we talk in code while we talk code. > > > > We could do this by inviting Isabella Ferreira, PhD Student in Computer > > Engineering, Polytechnique Montréal to tell us about Sentimine, > > which is a plugin on top of the cregit platform focused on analyzing > > communication in open source communities. It will include a short survey > > focused on analyzing a few emails for clarity and perception. > > Hi Shuah, > > If the goal is to get Isabella's ideas more exposure, perhaps it would > be better to ask if she would be willing to give a presentation at the > more open Kernel Summit track during the LPC? > > It would appear that it's fairly early days for her work, from doing > some web searching, the only thing I could really find was her 2019 > Open Source Leadership Summit presentations (slides here[1]) and the > more formal academic paper[2]. > > [1] https://events.linuxfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/OSS_Summit_Presentation.pdf > [2] http://mcis.polymtl.ca/publications/2019/SEMotion_2019.pdf > > As near as I can tell the talk was not video recorded; which is a > shame, since I wasn't able to pick up from the slide presentation the > same kind of excitement that you clearly have over her work.  I was > also very confused about how cregit (which analyzes code) mentioned in > the last two slides relates to the work described in the first 80% of > the slide deck, which appears to be analyzing mailing list text. > > I'd also think that if the goal is to have a conversation about > communication styles, having that discussion with a wider circle might > be more productive.  Or did you have something in mind about some > decision that might get made at the Maintainer's Summit? > >                                     - Ted > _______________________________________________ > Ksummit-discuss mailing list > Ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ksummit-discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > Ksummit-discuss mailing list > Ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ksummit-discuss >