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From: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
To: Yongji Xie <xieyongji@bytedance.com>
Cc: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	"Stefan Hajnoczi" <stefanha@redhat.com>,
	"Stefano Garzarella" <sgarzare@redhat.com>,
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	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 11/12] vduse: Introduce VDUSE - vDPA Device in Userspace
Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 16:41:01 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <00ded99f-91b6-ba92-5d92-2366b163f129@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CACycT3ufok97cKpk47NjUBTc0QAyfauFUyuFvhWKmuqCGJ7zZw@mail.gmail.com>


在 2021/5/27 下午3:34, Yongji Xie 写道:
> On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 1:40 PM Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>> 在 2021/5/27 下午1:08, Yongji Xie 写道:
>>> On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 1:00 PM Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>> 在 2021/5/27 下午12:57, Yongji Xie 写道:
>>>>> On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 12:13 PM Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 在 2021/5/17 下午5:55, Xie Yongji 写道:
>>>>>>> +
>>>>>>> +static int vduse_dev_msg_sync(struct vduse_dev *dev,
>>>>>>> +                           struct vduse_dev_msg *msg)
>>>>>>> +{
>>>>>>> +     init_waitqueue_head(&msg->waitq);
>>>>>>> +     spin_lock(&dev->msg_lock);
>>>>>>> +     vduse_enqueue_msg(&dev->send_list, msg);
>>>>>>> +     wake_up(&dev->waitq);
>>>>>>> +     spin_unlock(&dev->msg_lock);
>>>>>>> +     wait_event_killable(msg->waitq, msg->completed);
>>>>>> What happens if the userspace(malicous) doesn't give a response forever?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It looks like a DOS. If yes, we need to consider a way to fix that.
>>>>>>
>>>>> How about using wait_event_killable_timeout() instead?
>>>> Probably, and then we need choose a suitable timeout and more important,
>>>> need to report the failure to virtio.
>>>>
>>> Makes sense to me. But it looks like some
>>> vdpa_config_ops/virtio_config_ops such as set_status() didn't have a
>>> return value.  Now I add a WARN_ON() for the failure. Do you mean we
>>> need to add some change for virtio core to handle the failure?
>>
>> Maybe, but I'm not sure how hard we can do that.
>>
> We need to change all virtio device drivers in this way.


Probably.


>
>> We had NEEDS_RESET but it looks we don't implement it.
>>
> Could it handle the failure of get_feature() and get/set_config()?


Looks not:

"

The device SHOULD set DEVICE_NEEDS_RESET when it enters an error state 
that a reset is needed. If DRIVER_OK is set, after it sets 
DEVICE_NEEDS_RESET, the device MUST send a device configuration change 
notification to the driver.

"

This looks implies that NEEDS_RESET may only work after device is 
probed. But in the current design, even the reset() is not reliable.


>
>> Or a rough idea is that maybe need some relaxing to be coupled loosely
>> with userspace. E.g the device (control path) is implemented in the
>> kernel but the datapath is implemented in the userspace like TUN/TAP.
>>
> I think it can work for most cases. One problem is that the set_config
> might change the behavior of the data path at runtime, e.g.
> virtnet_set_mac_address() in the virtio-net driver and
> cache_type_store() in the virtio-blk driver. Not sure if this path is
> able to return before the datapath is aware of this change.


Good point.

But set_config() should be rare:

E.g in the case of virtio-net with VERSION_1, config space is read only, 
and it was set via control vq.

For block, we can

1) start from without WCE or
2) we add a config change notification to userspace or
3) extend the spec to use vq instead of config space

Thanks


>
> Thanks,
> Yongji
>


  reply	other threads:[~2021-05-27  8:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-05-17  9:55 [PATCH v7 00/12] Introduce VDUSE - vDPA Device in Userspace Xie Yongji
2021-05-17  9:55 ` [PATCH v7 01/12] iova: Export alloc_iova_fast() Xie Yongji
2021-05-26  2:36   ` Jason Wang
2021-05-26  2:43     ` Yongji Xie
2021-05-17  9:55 ` [PATCH v7 02/12] file: Export receive_fd() to modules Xie Yongji
2021-05-20  6:18   ` Al Viro
2021-05-20  6:32     ` Yongji Xie
2021-05-17  9:55 ` [PATCH v7 03/12] eventfd: Increase the recursion depth of eventfd_signal() Xie Yongji
2021-05-17  9:55 ` [PATCH v7 04/12] virtio-blk: Add validation for block size in config space Xie Yongji
2021-05-19 13:39   ` Yongji Xie
2021-05-19 14:42     ` Dan Carpenter
2021-05-20  5:25       ` Yongji Xie
2021-05-20  5:43         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-05-20  7:08           ` Yongji Xie
2021-05-17  9:55 ` [PATCH v7 05/12] virtio_scsi: Add validation for residual bytes from response Xie Yongji
2021-05-26  2:41   ` Jason Wang
2021-05-17  9:55 ` [PATCH v7 06/12] vhost-iotlb: Add an opaque pointer for vhost IOTLB Xie Yongji
2021-05-17  9:55 ` [PATCH v7 07/12] vdpa: Add an opaque pointer for vdpa_config_ops.dma_map() Xie Yongji
2021-05-17  9:55 ` [PATCH v7 08/12] vdpa: factor out vhost_vdpa_pa_map() and vhost_vdpa_pa_unmap() Xie Yongji
2021-05-17  9:55 ` [PATCH v7 09/12] vdpa: Support transferring virtual addressing during DMA mapping Xie Yongji
2021-05-17  9:55 ` [PATCH v7 10/12] vduse: Implement an MMU-based IOMMU driver Xie Yongji
2021-05-17  9:55 ` [PATCH v7 11/12] vduse: Introduce VDUSE - vDPA Device in Userspace Xie Yongji
2021-05-20  6:28   ` Al Viro
2021-05-20  7:03     ` Yongji Xie
2021-05-27  4:12   ` Jason Wang
2021-05-27  4:57     ` Yongji Xie
2021-05-27  5:00       ` Jason Wang
2021-05-27  5:08         ` Yongji Xie
2021-05-27  5:40           ` Jason Wang
2021-05-27  7:34             ` Yongji Xie
2021-05-27  8:41               ` Jason Wang [this message]
2021-05-27  8:43                 ` Jason Wang
2021-05-27 10:14                   ` Yongji Xie
2021-05-28  1:33                     ` Jason Wang
2021-05-28  3:54                       ` Yongji Xie
2021-05-28  6:38                         ` Jason Wang
2021-05-27 13:17                 ` Yongji Xie
2021-05-28  2:31                   ` Jason Wang
2021-05-31  4:27                     ` Yongji Xie
2021-05-31  4:38                       ` Jason Wang
2021-05-31  6:24                         ` Yongji Xie
2021-05-31  4:56   ` Greg KH
2021-05-31  6:19     ` Yongji Xie
2021-05-31  6:32       ` Greg KH
2021-05-31  7:13         ` Yongji Xie
2021-05-17  9:55 ` [PATCH v7 12/12] Documentation: Add documentation for VDUSE Xie Yongji
2021-05-20  6:06 ` [PATCH v7 00/12] Introduce VDUSE - vDPA Device in Userspace Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-05-20  9:06   ` Yongji Xie
2021-05-25  6:40     ` Jason Wang
2021-05-25  6:48       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-05-25  7:11         ` Jason Wang

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