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From: Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>
To: Zachary Amsden <zamsden@redhat.com>
Cc: "David S. Ahern" <daahern@cisco.com>, kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: KVM timekeeping and TSC virtualization
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 13:55:54 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100825165554.GA27263@amt.cnet> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4C744F52.8070207@redhat.com>

On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 01:01:38PM -1000, Zachary Amsden wrote:
> >>With this patchset, KVM now has a much stronger guarantee: If you have
> >>old guest software running on broken hardware, using SMP virtual
> >>machines, you do not get hardware performance and error-free time
> >>virtualization.    However, if you have new guest software, non-broken
> >>hardware, or can simply run UP guests instead of SMP, you can have
> >>hardware performance, and it is now error free.  Alternatively, you can
> >>sacrifice some accuracy and have hardware performance, even for SMP
> >>guests, if you can tolerate some minor cross-CPU TSC variation.  No
> >>other vendor I know of can make that guarantee.
> >>
> >>Zach
> >If the processor has a stable TSC why trap it? I realize you are trying
> >to cover a gauntlet of hardware and guests, so maybe a nerd knob is
> >needed to disable.
> 
> Exactly.  If you have a stable TSC, we don't trap it.  If you don't
> have a stable TSC, we do.  That's the point of these patches.

Wait, don't you trap if host TSC is faster than guest TSC?


  reply	other threads:[~2010-08-25 17:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 106+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-08-20  8:07 KVM timekeeping and TSC virtualization Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 01/35] Drop vm_init_tsc Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20 16:54   ` Glauber Costa
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 02/35] Convert TSC writes to TSC offset writes Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 03/35] Move TSC offset writes to common code Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20 17:06   ` Glauber Costa
2010-08-24  0:51     ` Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 04/35] Fix SVM VMCB reset Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 05/35] Move TSC reset out of vmcb_init Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20 17:08   ` Glauber Costa
2010-08-24  0:52     ` Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 06/35] TSC reset compensation Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 07/35] Make cpu_tsc_khz updates use local CPU Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 08/35] Warn about unstable TSC Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20 17:28   ` Glauber Costa
2010-08-24  0:56     ` Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 09/35] Unify TSC logic Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 10/35] Fix deep C-state TSC desynchronization Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20 17:30   ` Glauber Costa
2010-09-14  9:10   ` Jan Kiszka
2010-09-14  9:27     ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-14 10:40       ` Jan Kiszka
2010-09-14 10:47         ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-14 19:32         ` Zachary Amsden
2010-09-14 22:26           ` Jan Kiszka
2010-09-14 23:40             ` Zachary Amsden
2010-09-15  5:34               ` Jan Kiszka
2010-09-15  7:55                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-15  8:04                   ` Jan Kiszka
2010-09-15 12:29               ` Glauber Costa
2010-09-15  4:07     ` Zachary Amsden
2010-09-15  8:09       ` Jan Kiszka
2010-09-15 12:32         ` Glauber Costa
2010-09-15 18:27           ` Jan Kiszka
2010-09-17 22:09             ` Zachary Amsden
2010-09-17 22:31               ` Zachary Amsden
2010-09-18 23:53                 ` Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 11/35] Add helper functions for time computation Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20 17:34   ` Glauber Costa
2010-08-24  0:58     ` Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 12/35] Robust TSC compensation Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20 17:40   ` Glauber Costa
2010-08-24  1:01     ` Zachary Amsden
2010-08-24 21:33   ` Daniel Verkamp
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 13/35] Perform hardware_enable in CPU_STARTING callback Zachary Amsden
2010-08-27 16:32   ` Jan Kiszka
2010-08-27 23:43     ` Zachary Amsden
2010-08-30  9:10       ` Jan Kiszka
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 14/35] Add clock sync request to hardware enable Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 15/35] Move scale_delta into common header Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 16/35] Fix a possible backwards warp of kvmclock Zachary Amsden
2011-09-02 18:34   ` Philipp Hahn
2011-09-05 14:06     ` [BUG, PATCH-2.6.32] " Philipp Hahn
2011-09-12 11:32       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 17/35] Implement getnsboottime kernel API Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20 18:39   ` john stultz
2010-08-20 23:37     ` Zachary Amsden
2010-08-21  0:02       ` john stultz
2010-08-21  0:52         ` Zachary Amsden
2010-08-21  1:04           ` john stultz
2010-08-21  1:22             ` Zachary Amsden
2010-08-27 18:05   ` Jan Kiszka
2010-08-27 23:48     ` Zachary Amsden
2010-08-30 18:07       ` Jan Kiszka
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 18/35] Use getnsboottime in KVM Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 19/35] Add timekeeping documentation Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20 17:50   ` Glauber Costa
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 20/35] Make math work for other scales Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 21/35] Track max tsc_khz Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 22/35] Track tsc last write in vcpu Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 23/35] Set initial TSC rate conversion factors Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 24/35] Timer request function renaming Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 25/35] Add clock catchup mode Zachary Amsden
2010-08-25 17:27   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2010-08-25 20:48     ` Zachary Amsden
2010-08-25 22:01       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2010-08-25 23:38         ` Glauber Costa
2010-08-26  0:17         ` Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 26/35] Catchup slower TSC to guest rate Zachary Amsden
2010-09-07  3:44   ` Dong, Eddie
2010-09-07 22:14     ` Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 27/35] Add TSC trapping Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 28/35] Unstable TSC write compensation Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 29/35] TSC overrun protection Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 30/35] IOCTL for setting TSC rate Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20 17:56   ` Glauber Costa
2010-08-21 16:11     ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 31/35] Exit conditions for TSC trapping Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 32/35] Entry " Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 33/35] Indicate reliable TSC in kvmclock Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20 17:45   ` Glauber Costa
2010-08-24  1:14     ` Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 34/35] Remove dead code Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 35/35] Add some debug stuff Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20 13:26 ` KVM timekeeping and TSC virtualization David S. Ahern
2010-08-20 23:24   ` Zachary Amsden
2010-08-22  1:32     ` David S. Ahern
2010-08-24  1:44       ` Zachary Amsden
2010-08-24  3:04         ` David S. Ahern
2010-08-24  5:47           ` Zachary Amsden
2010-08-24 13:32             ` David S. Ahern
2010-08-24 23:01               ` Zachary Amsden
2010-08-25 16:55                 ` Marcelo Tosatti [this message]
2010-08-25 20:32                   ` Zachary Amsden
2010-08-24 22:13 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2010-08-25  4:04   ` Zachary Amsden

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