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From: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: Christophe de Dinechin <christophe.de.dinechin@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	Sean Christopherson <sean.j.christopherson@intel.com>,
	"Dr . David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>,
	Vitaly Kuznetsov <vkuznets@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 04/15] KVM: Implement ring-based dirty memory tracking
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 10:26:47 -0500
Message-ID: <20191216152647.GD83861@xz-x1> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0f084179-2a5d-e8d9-5870-3cc428105596@redhat.com>

On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 10:29:36AM +0100, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> On 14/12/19 17:26, Peter Xu wrote:
> > On Sat, Dec 14, 2019 at 08:57:26AM +0100, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> >> On 13/12/19 21:23, Peter Xu wrote:
> >>>> What is the benefit of using u16 for that? That means with 4K pages, you
> >>>> can share at most 256M of dirty memory each time? That seems low to me,
> >>>> especially since it's sufficient to touch one byte in a page to dirty it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Actually, this is not consistent with the definition in the code ;-)
> >>>> So I'll assume it's actually u32.
> >>> Yes it's u32 now.  Actually I believe at least Paolo would prefer u16
> >>> more. :)
> >>
> >> It has to be u16, because it overlaps the padding of the first entry.
> > 
> > Hmm, could you explain?
> > 
> > Note that here what Christophe commented is on dirty_index,
> > reset_index of "struct kvm_dirty_ring", so imho it could really be
> > anything we want as long as it can store a u32 (which is the size of
> > the elements in kvm_dirty_ring_indexes).
> > 
> > If you were instead talking about the previous union definition of
> > "struct kvm_dirty_gfns" rather than "struct kvm_dirty_ring", iiuc I've
> > moved those indices out of it and defined kvm_dirty_ring_indexes which
> > we expose via kvm_run, so we don't have that limitation as well any
> > more?
> 
> Yeah, I meant that since the size has (had) to be u16 in the union, it
> need not be bigger in kvm_dirty_ring.
> 
> I don't think having more than 2^16 entries in the *per-CPU* ring buffer
> makes sense; lagging in recording dirty memory by more than 256 MiB per
> CPU would mean a large pause later on resetting the ring buffers (your
> KVM_CLEAR_DIRTY_LOG patches found the sweet spot to be around 1 GiB for
> the whole system).

That's right, 1G could probably be a "common flavor" for guests in
that case.

Though I wanted to use u64 only because I wanted to prepare even
better for future potential changes as long as it won't hurt much.
Here I'm just afraid 16bit might not be big enough for this 64bit
world, at the meantime I'd confess some of the requirement could be
really unimaginable before we know it..  I'm trying to forge one here:
what if the customer wants to handle 4G burst dirtying workload during
a migration (besides the burst IOs, mostly idle guests), while the
customer also want good responsiveness during the burst dirtying?  In
that case even if we use 256MiB ring we'll still need to freqently
pause for the harvesting, but actually this case really suites for a
8G ring size.

My example could be nonsense actually, just to show that if we can
extend something to u64 from u16 without paying much, then why not. :-)

> 
> So I liked the union, but if you removed it you might as well align the
> producer and consumer indices to 64 bytes so that they are in separate
> cache lines.

Yeh that I can do.  Thanks,

-- 
Peter Xu


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Thread overview: 121+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-11-29 21:34 [PATCH RFC 00/15] KVM: Dirty ring interface Peter Xu
2019-11-29 21:34 ` [PATCH RFC 01/15] KVM: Move running VCPU from ARM to common code Peter Xu
2019-12-03 19:01   ` Sean Christopherson
2019-12-04  9:42     ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-09 22:05       ` Peter Xu
2019-11-29 21:34 ` [PATCH RFC 02/15] KVM: Add kvm/vcpu argument to mark_dirty_page_in_slot Peter Xu
2019-12-02 19:32   ` Sean Christopherson
2019-12-02 20:49     ` Peter Xu
2019-11-29 21:34 ` [PATCH RFC 03/15] KVM: Add build-time error check on kvm_run size Peter Xu
2019-12-02 19:30   ` Sean Christopherson
2019-12-02 20:53     ` Peter Xu
2019-12-02 22:19       ` Sean Christopherson
2019-12-02 22:40         ` Peter Xu
2019-12-03  5:50           ` Sean Christopherson
2019-12-03 13:41         ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-03 17:04           ` Peter Xu
2019-11-29 21:34 ` [PATCH RFC 04/15] KVM: Implement ring-based dirty memory tracking Peter Xu
2019-12-02 20:10   ` Sean Christopherson
2019-12-02 21:16     ` Peter Xu
2019-12-02 21:50       ` Sean Christopherson
2019-12-02 23:09         ` Peter Xu
2019-12-03 13:48         ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-03 18:46           ` Sean Christopherson
2019-12-04 10:05             ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-07  0:29               ` Sean Christopherson
2019-12-09  9:37                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-09 21:54               ` Peter Xu
2019-12-10 10:07                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-10 15:52                   ` Peter Xu
2019-12-10 17:09                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-15 17:21                       ` Peter Xu
2019-12-16 10:08                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-16 18:54                           ` Peter Xu
2019-12-17  9:01                             ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-17 16:24                               ` Peter Xu
2019-12-17 16:28                                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-18 21:58                                   ` Peter Xu
2019-12-18 22:24                                     ` Sean Christopherson
2019-12-18 22:37                                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-18 22:49                                         ` Peter Xu
2019-12-17  2:28                           ` Tian, Kevin
2019-12-17 16:18                             ` Alex Williamson
2019-12-17 16:30                               ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-18  0:29                                 ` Tian, Kevin
     [not found]                           ` <AADFC41AFE54684AB9EE6CBC0274A5D19D645E5F@SHSMSX104.ccr.corp.intel.com>
2019-12-17  5:17                             ` Tian, Kevin
2019-12-17  5:25                               ` Yan Zhao
2019-12-17 16:24                                 ` Alex Williamson
2019-12-03 19:13   ` Sean Christopherson
2019-12-04 10:14     ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-04 14:33       ` Sean Christopherson
2019-12-04 10:38   ` Jason Wang
2019-12-04 11:04     ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-04 19:52       ` Peter Xu
2019-12-05  6:51         ` Jason Wang
2019-12-05 12:08           ` Peter Xu
2019-12-05 13:12             ` Jason Wang
2019-12-10 13:25       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-12-10 13:31         ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-10 16:02           ` Peter Xu
2019-12-10 21:53             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-12-11  9:05               ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-11 13:04                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-12-11 14:54                   ` Peter Xu
2019-12-10 21:48           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-12-11 12:53   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-12-11 14:14     ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-11 20:59     ` Peter Xu
2019-12-11 22:57       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-12-12  0:08         ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-12  7:36           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-12-12  8:12             ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-12 10:38               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-12-15 17:33           ` Peter Xu
2019-12-16  9:47             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-12-16 15:07               ` Peter Xu
2019-12-16 15:33                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-12-16 15:47                   ` Peter Xu
2019-12-11 17:24   ` Christophe de Dinechin
2019-12-13 20:23     ` Peter Xu
2019-12-14  7:57       ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-14 16:26         ` Peter Xu
2019-12-16  9:29           ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-16 15:26             ` Peter Xu [this message]
2019-12-16 15:31               ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-16 15:43                 ` Peter Xu
2019-12-17 12:16         ` Christophe de Dinechin
2019-12-17 12:19           ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-17 15:38             ` Peter Xu
2019-12-17 16:31               ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-17 16:42                 ` Peter Xu
2019-12-17 16:48                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-17 19:41                     ` Peter Xu
2019-12-18  0:33                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-18 16:32                         ` Peter Xu
2019-12-18 16:41                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-20 18:19       ` Peter Xu
2019-11-29 21:34 ` [PATCH RFC 05/15] KVM: Make dirty ring exclusive to dirty bitmap log Peter Xu
2019-11-29 21:34 ` [PATCH RFC 06/15] KVM: Introduce dirty ring wait queue Peter Xu
2019-11-29 21:34 ` [PATCH RFC 07/15] KVM: X86: Implement ring-based dirty memory tracking Peter Xu
2019-11-29 21:34 ` [PATCH RFC 08/15] KVM: selftests: Always clear dirty bitmap after iteration Peter Xu
2019-11-29 21:34 ` [PATCH RFC 09/15] KVM: selftests: Sync uapi/linux/kvm.h to tools/ Peter Xu
2019-11-29 21:35 ` [PATCH RFC 10/15] KVM: selftests: Use a single binary for dirty/clear log test Peter Xu
2019-11-29 21:35 ` [PATCH RFC 11/15] KVM: selftests: Introduce after_vcpu_run hook for dirty " Peter Xu
2019-11-29 21:35 ` [PATCH RFC 12/15] KVM: selftests: Add dirty ring buffer test Peter Xu
2019-11-29 21:35 ` [PATCH RFC 13/15] KVM: selftests: Let dirty_log_test async for dirty ring test Peter Xu
2019-11-29 21:35 ` [PATCH RFC 14/15] KVM: selftests: Add "-c" parameter to dirty log test Peter Xu
2019-11-29 21:35 ` [PATCH RFC 15/15] KVM: selftests: Test dirty ring waitqueue Peter Xu
2019-11-30  8:29 ` [PATCH RFC 00/15] KVM: Dirty ring interface Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-02  2:13   ` Peter Xu
2019-12-03 13:59     ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-05 19:30       ` Peter Xu
2019-12-05 19:59         ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-05 20:52           ` Peter Xu
2019-12-02 20:21   ` Sean Christopherson
2019-12-02 20:43     ` Peter Xu
2019-12-04 10:39 ` Jason Wang
2019-12-04 19:33   ` Peter Xu
2019-12-05  6:49     ` Jason Wang
2019-12-11 13:41 ` Christophe de Dinechin
2019-12-11 14:16   ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-11 17:15     ` Peter Xu

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