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From: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
To: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>
Cc: kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Christophe de Dinechin <dinechin@redhat.com>,
	"Michael S . Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Sean Christopherson <sean.j.christopherson@intel.com>,
	Yan Zhao <yan.y.zhao@intel.com>, Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>,
	Kevin Kevin <kevin.tian@intel.com>,
	Vitaly Kuznetsov <vkuznets@redhat.com>,
	"Dr . David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>,
	Kirti Wankhede <kwankhede@nvidia.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 00/21] KVM: Dirty ring interface
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2020 12:58:08 -0500
Message-ID: <20200109175808.GC36997@xz-x1> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200109094711.00eb96b1@w520.home>

On Thu, Jan 09, 2020 at 09:47:11AM -0700, Alex Williamson wrote:
> On Thu,  9 Jan 2020 09:57:08 -0500
> Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com> wrote:
> 
> > Branch is here: https://github.com/xzpeter/linux/tree/kvm-dirty-ring
> > (based on kvm/queue)
> > 
> > Please refer to either the previous cover letters, or documentation
> > update in patch 12 for the big picture.  Previous posts:
> > 
> > V1: https://lore.kernel.org/kvm/20191129213505.18472-1-peterx@redhat.com
> > V2: https://lore.kernel.org/kvm/20191221014938.58831-1-peterx@redhat.com
> > 
> > The major change in V3 is that we dropped the whole waitqueue and the
> > global lock. With that, we have clean per-vcpu ring and no default
> > ring any more.  The two kvmgt refactoring patches were also included
> > to show the dependency of the works.
> 
> Hi Peter,

Hi, Alex,

> 
> Would you recommend this style of interface for vfio dirty page
> tracking as well?  This mechanism seems very tuned to sparse page
> dirtying, how well does it handle fully dirty, or even significantly
> dirty regions?

That's truely the point why I think the dirty bitmap can still be used
and should be kept.  IIUC the dirty ring starts from COLO where (1)
dirty rate is very low, and (2) sync happens frequently.  That's a
perfect ground for dirty ring.  However it for sure does not mean that
dirty ring can solve all the issues.  As you said, I believe the full
dirty is another extreme in that dirty bitmap could perform better.

> We also don't really have "active" dirty page tracking
> in vfio, we simply assume that if a page is pinned or otherwise mapped
> that it's dirty, so I think we'd constantly be trying to re-populate
> the dirty ring with pages that we've seen the user consume, which
> doesn't seem like a good fit versus a bitmap solution.  Thanks,

Right, so I confess I don't know whether dirty ring is the ideal
solutioon for vfio either.  Actually if we're tracking by page maps or
pinnings, then IMHO it also means that it could be more suitable to
use an modified version of dirty ring buffer (as you suggested in the
other thread), in that we can track dirty using (addr, len) range
rather than a single page address.  That could be hard for KVM because
in KVM the page will be mostly trapped in 4K granularity in page
faults, and it'll also be hard to merge continuous entries with
previous ones because the userspace could be reading the entries (so
after we publish the previous 4K dirty page, we should not modify the
entry any more).  VFIO should not have this restriction because the
marking of dirty page range can be atomic when the range of pages are
mapped or pinned.

Thanks,

-- 
Peter Xu


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Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-01-09 14:57 Peter Xu
2020-01-09 14:57 ` [PATCH v3 01/21] vfio: introduce vfio_iova_rw to read/write a range of IOVAs Peter Xu
2020-01-09 14:57 ` [PATCH v3 02/21] drm/i915/gvt: subsitute kvm_read/write_guest with vfio_iova_rw Peter Xu
2020-01-09 14:57 ` [PATCH v3 03/21] KVM: Remove kvm_read_guest_atomic() Peter Xu
2020-01-09 14:57 ` [PATCH v3 04/21] KVM: Add build-time error check on kvm_run size Peter Xu
2020-01-09 14:57 ` [PATCH v3 05/21] KVM: X86: Change parameter for fast_page_fault tracepoint Peter Xu
2020-01-09 14:57 ` [PATCH v3 06/21] KVM: X86: Don't take srcu lock in init_rmode_identity_map() Peter Xu
2020-01-09 14:57 ` [PATCH v3 07/21] KVM: Cache as_id in kvm_memory_slot Peter Xu
2020-01-09 14:57 ` [PATCH v3 08/21] KVM: X86: Drop x86_set_memory_region() Peter Xu
2020-01-09 14:57 ` [PATCH v3 09/21] KVM: X86: Don't track dirty for KVM_SET_[TSS_ADDR|IDENTITY_MAP_ADDR] Peter Xu
2020-01-19  9:01   ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-01-20  6:45     ` Peter Xu
2020-01-21 15:56   ` Sean Christopherson
2020-01-21 16:14     ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-01-28  5:50     ` Peter Xu
2020-01-28 18:24       ` Sean Christopherson
2020-01-31 15:08         ` Peter Xu
2020-01-31 19:33           ` Sean Christopherson
2020-01-31 20:28             ` Peter Xu
2020-01-31 20:36               ` Sean Christopherson
2020-01-31 20:55                 ` Peter Xu
2020-01-31 21:29                   ` Sean Christopherson
2020-01-31 22:16                     ` Peter Xu
2020-01-31 22:20                       ` Sean Christopherson
2020-01-09 14:57 ` [PATCH v3 10/21] KVM: Pass in kvm pointer into mark_page_dirty_in_slot() Peter Xu
2020-01-09 14:57 ` [PATCH v3 11/21] KVM: Move running VCPU from ARM to common code Peter Xu
2020-01-09 14:57 ` [PATCH v3 12/21] KVM: X86: Implement ring-based dirty memory tracking Peter Xu
2020-01-09 16:29   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-01-09 16:56     ` Alex Williamson
2020-01-09 19:21       ` Peter Xu
2020-01-09 19:36         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-01-09 19:15     ` Peter Xu
2020-01-09 19:35       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-01-09 20:19         ` Peter Xu
2020-01-09 22:18           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-01-10 15:29             ` Peter Xu
2020-01-12  6:24               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-01-14 20:01         ` Peter Xu
2020-01-15  6:50           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-01-15 15:20             ` Peter Xu
2020-01-19  9:09       ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-01-19 10:12         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-01-20  7:29           ` Peter Xu
2020-01-20  7:47             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-01-21  8:29               ` Peter Xu
2020-01-21 10:25                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-01-21 10:24             ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-01-11  4:49   ` kbuild test robot
2020-01-11 23:19   ` kbuild test robot
2020-01-15  6:47   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-01-15 15:27     ` Peter Xu
2020-01-16  8:38   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-01-16 16:27     ` Peter Xu
2020-01-17  9:50       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-01-20  6:48         ` Peter Xu
2020-01-09 14:57 ` [PATCH v3 13/21] KVM: Make dirty ring exclusive to dirty bitmap log Peter Xu
2020-01-09 14:57 ` [PATCH v3 14/21] KVM: Don't allocate dirty bitmap if dirty ring is enabled Peter Xu
2020-01-09 16:41   ` Peter Xu
2020-01-09 14:57 ` [PATCH v3 15/21] KVM: selftests: Always clear dirty bitmap after iteration Peter Xu
2020-01-09 14:57 ` [PATCH v3 16/21] KVM: selftests: Sync uapi/linux/kvm.h to tools/ Peter Xu
2020-01-09 14:57 ` [PATCH v3 17/21] KVM: selftests: Use a single binary for dirty/clear log test Peter Xu
2020-01-09 14:57 ` [PATCH v3 18/21] KVM: selftests: Introduce after_vcpu_run hook for dirty " Peter Xu
2020-01-09 14:57 ` [PATCH v3 19/21] KVM: selftests: Add dirty ring buffer test Peter Xu
2020-01-09 14:57 ` [PATCH v3 20/21] KVM: selftests: Let dirty_log_test async for dirty ring test Peter Xu
2020-01-09 14:57 ` [PATCH v3 21/21] KVM: selftests: Add "-c" parameter to dirty log test Peter Xu
2020-01-09 15:59 ` [PATCH v3 00/21] KVM: Dirty ring interface Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-01-09 16:17   ` Peter Xu
2020-01-09 16:40     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-01-09 17:08       ` Peter Xu
2020-01-09 19:08         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-01-09 19:39           ` Peter Xu
2020-01-09 20:42             ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-01-09 22:28             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-01-10 15:10               ` Peter Xu
2020-01-09 16:47 ` Alex Williamson
2020-01-09 17:58   ` Peter Xu [this message]
2020-01-09 19:13     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-01-09 19:23       ` Peter Xu
2020-01-09 19:37         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-01-09 20:51       ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-01-09 22:21         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-01-19  9:11 ` Paolo Bonzini

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