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From: Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>
To: "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name>
Cc: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Sean Christopherson <sean.j.christopherson@intel.com>,
	Vitaly Kuznetsov <vkuznets@redhat.com>,
	Wanpeng Li <wanpengli@tencent.com>,
	Jim Mattson <jmattson@google.com>, Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>, Will Drewry <wad@chromium.org>,
	"Edgecombe, Rick P" <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>,
	"Kleen, Andi" <andi.kleen@intel.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
	kernel-team@android.com, will@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC 00/16] KVM protected memory extension
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 16:15:23 +0100
Message-ID: <20200604161523.39962919@why> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200522125214.31348-1-kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>

Hi Kirill,

Thanks for this.

On Fri, 22 May 2020 15:51:58 +0300
"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name> wrote:

> == Background / Problem ==
> 
> There are a number of hardware features (MKTME, SEV) which protect guest
> memory from some unauthorized host access. The patchset proposes a purely
> software feature that mitigates some of the same host-side read-only
> attacks.
> 
> 
> == What does this set mitigate? ==
> 
>  - Host kernel ”accidental” access to guest data (think speculation)
> 
>  - Host kernel induced access to guest data (write(fd, &guest_data_ptr, len))
> 
>  - Host userspace access to guest data (compromised qemu)
> 
> == What does this set NOT mitigate? ==
> 
>  - Full host kernel compromise.  Kernel will just map the pages again.
> 
>  - Hardware attacks

Just as a heads up, we (the Android kernel team) are currently
involved in something pretty similar for KVM/arm64 in order to bring
some level of confidentiality to guests.

The main idea is to de-privilege the host kernel by wrapping it in its
own nested set of page tables which allows us to remove memory
allocated to guests on a per-page basis. The core hypervisor runs more
or less independently at its own privilege level. It still is KVM
though, as we don't intend to reinvent the wheel.

Will has written a much more lingo-heavy description here:
https://lore.kernel.org/kvmarm/20200327165935.GA8048@willie-the-truck/

This works for one of the virtualization modes that arm64 can use (what
we call non-VHE, or nVHE for short). The other mode (VHE), is much more
similar to what happens on other architectures, where the kernel and
the hypervisor are one single entity. In this case, we cannot use the
same trick with nested page tables, and have to rely on something that
would very much look like what you're proposing.

Note that the two modes of the architecture would benefit from this
work anyway, as I'd like the host to know that we've pulled memory
from under its feet. Since you have done most of the initial work, I
intend to give it a go on arm64 shortly and see what sticks.

Thanks,

	M.
-- 
Jazz is not dead. It just smells funny...

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Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-05-22 12:51 Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-05-22 12:51 ` [RFC 01/16] x86/mm: Move force_dma_unencrypted() to common code Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-05-22 12:52 ` [RFC 02/16] x86/kvm: Introduce KVM memory protection feature Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-05-25 14:58   ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2020-05-25 15:15     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-05-27  5:03       ` Sean Christopherson
2020-05-27  8:39         ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2020-05-27  8:52           ` Sean Christopherson
2020-06-03  2:09           ` Huang, Kai
2020-06-03 11:14             ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2020-05-22 12:52 ` [RFC 03/16] x86/kvm: Make DMA pages shared Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-05-22 12:52 ` [RFC 04/16] x86/kvm: Use bounce buffers for KVM memory protection Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-05-22 12:52 ` [RFC 05/16] x86/kvm: Make VirtIO use DMA API in KVM guest Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-05-22 12:52 ` [RFC 06/16] KVM: Use GUP instead of copy_from/to_user() to access guest memory Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-05-25 15:08   ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2020-05-25 15:17     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-06-01 16:35       ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-06-02 13:33         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-05-26  6:14   ` Mike Rapoport
2020-05-26 21:56     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-05-29 15:24   ` Kees Cook
2020-05-22 12:52 ` [RFC 07/16] KVM: mm: Introduce VM_KVM_PROTECTED Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-05-26  6:15   ` Mike Rapoport
2020-05-26 22:01     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-05-26  6:40   ` John Hubbard
2020-05-26 22:04     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-05-22 12:52 ` [RFC 08/16] KVM: x86: Use GUP for page walk instead of __get_user() Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-05-22 12:52 ` [RFC 09/16] KVM: Protected memory extension Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-05-25 15:26   ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2020-05-25 15:34     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-06-03  1:34       ` Huang, Kai
2020-05-22 12:52 ` [RFC 10/16] KVM: x86: Enabled protected " Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-05-25 15:26   ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2020-05-26  6:16   ` Mike Rapoport
2020-05-26 21:58     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-05-22 12:52 ` [RFC 11/16] KVM: Rework copy_to/from_guest() to avoid direct mapping Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-05-22 12:52 ` [RFC 12/16] x86/kvm: Share steal time page with host Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-05-22 12:52 ` [RFC 13/16] x86/kvmclock: Share hvclock memory with the host Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-05-25 15:22   ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2020-05-25 15:25     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-05-25 15:42       ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2020-05-22 12:52 ` [RFC 14/16] KVM: Introduce gfn_to_pfn_memslot_protected() Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-05-22 12:52 ` [RFC 15/16] KVM: Handle protected memory in __kvm_map_gfn()/__kvm_unmap_gfn() Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-05-22 12:52 ` [RFC 16/16] KVM: Unmap protected pages from direct mapping Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-05-26  6:16   ` Mike Rapoport
2020-05-26 22:10     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-05-25  5:27 ` [RFC 00/16] KVM protected memory extension Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-05-25 13:47 ` Liran Alon
2020-05-25 14:46   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-05-25 15:56     ` Liran Alon
2020-05-26  6:17   ` Mike Rapoport
2020-05-26 10:16     ` Liran Alon
2020-05-26 11:38       ` Mike Rapoport
2020-05-27 15:45         ` Dave Hansen
2020-05-27 21:22           ` Mike Rapoport
2020-06-04 15:15 ` Marc Zyngier [this message]
2020-06-04 15:48   ` Sean Christopherson
2020-06-04 16:27     ` Marc Zyngier
2020-06-04 16:35     ` Will Deacon
2020-06-04 19:09       ` Nakajima, Jun
2020-06-04 21:03         ` Jim Mattson
2020-06-04 23:29           ` Nakajima, Jun

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