From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.5 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS, URIBL_BLOCKED,USER_AGENT_SANE_1 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF983C433DF for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2020 05:33:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C46C720829 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2020 05:33:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1726185AbgHNFdn (ORCPT ); Fri, 14 Aug 2020 01:33:43 -0400 Received: from mga09.intel.com ([134.134.136.24]:12249 "EHLO mga09.intel.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1726064AbgHNFdn (ORCPT ); Fri, 14 Aug 2020 01:33:43 -0400 IronPort-SDR: PNG9yEmrJ7XLfiWI7ByqZfwV8W6kkIEgAB/Ulhb5QpEdQg6QospuRaezZn2HOhoV22vPGejxtb rl388o0zA/tQ== X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="6000,8403,9712"; a="155471656" X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.76,311,1592895600"; d="scan'208";a="155471656" X-Amp-Result: SKIPPED(no attachment in message) X-Amp-File-Uploaded: False Received: from orsmga008.jf.intel.com ([10.7.209.65]) by orsmga102.jf.intel.com with ESMTP/TLS/ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 13 Aug 2020 22:33:42 -0700 IronPort-SDR: 17ObhB5L4p5rZsodtaj4w23ZImAhmDiWJogmKa2wPSRra7i4k7Xor01hjtt9SY9BA0hx1EzUd4 hSz/jzm8mpvw== X-ExtLoop1: 1 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.76,311,1592895600"; d="scan'208";a="325623341" Received: from joy-optiplex-7040.sh.intel.com (HELO joy-OptiPlex-7040) ([10.239.13.16]) by orsmga008.jf.intel.com with ESMTP; 13 Aug 2020 22:33:36 -0700 Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 13:16:01 +0800 From: Yan Zhao To: Jason Wang Cc: Jiri Pirko , Cornelia Huck , kvm@vger.kernel.org, libvir-list@redhat.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org, kwankhede@nvidia.com, eauger@redhat.com, xin-ran.wang@intel.com, eskultet@redhat.com, openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org, shaohe.feng@intel.com, kevin.tian@intel.com, Parav Pandit , jian-feng.ding@intel.com, dgilbert@redhat.com, zhenyuw@linux.intel.com, hejie.xu@intel.com, bao.yumeng@zte.com.cn, Alex Williamson , smooney@redhat.com, intel-gvt-dev@lists.freedesktop.org, berrange@redhat.com, corbet@lwn.net, dinechin@redhat.com, devel@ovirt.org Subject: Re: device compatibility interface for live migration with assigned devices Message-ID: <20200814051601.GD15344@joy-OptiPlex-7040> Reply-To: Yan Zhao References: <20200804183503.39f56516.cohuck@redhat.com> <20200805021654.GB30485@joy-OptiPlex-7040> <2624b12f-3788-7e2b-2cb7-93534960bcb7@redhat.com> <20200805075647.GB2177@nanopsycho> <20200805093338.GC30485@joy-OptiPlex-7040> <20200805105319.GF2177@nanopsycho> <20200810074631.GA29059@joy-OptiPlex-7040> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.4 (2018-02-28) Sender: kvm-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: kvm@vger.kernel.org On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 12:24:50PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote: > > On 2020/8/10 下午3:46, Yan Zhao wrote: > > > driver is it handled by? > > It looks that the devlink is for network device specific, and in > > devlink.h, it says > > include/uapi/linux/devlink.h - Network physical device Netlink > > interface, > > > Actually not, I think there used to have some discussion last year and the > conclusion is to remove this comment. > > It supports IB and probably vDPA in the future. > hmm... sorry, I didn't find the referred discussion. only below discussion regarding to why to add devlink. https://www.mail-archive.com/netdev@vger.kernel.org/msg95801.html >This doesn't seem to be too much related to networking? Why can't something >like this be in sysfs? It is related to networking quite bit. There has been couple of iteration of this, including sysfs and configfs implementations. There has been a consensus reached that this should be done by netlink. I believe netlink is really the best for this purpose. Sysfs is not a good idea https://www.mail-archive.com/netdev@vger.kernel.org/msg96102.html >there is already a way to change eth/ib via >echo 'eth' > /sys/bus/pci/drivers/mlx4_core/0000:02:00.0/mlx4_port1 > >sounds like this is another way to achieve the same? It is. However the current way is driver-specific, not correct. For mlx5, we need the same, it cannot be done in this way. Do devlink is the correct way to go. https://lwn.net/Articles/674867/ There a is need for some userspace API that would allow to expose things that are not directly related to any device class like net_device of ib_device, but rather chip-wide/switch-ASIC-wide stuff. Use cases: 1) get/set of port type (Ethernet/InfiniBand) 2) monitoring of hardware messages to and from chip 3) setting up port splitters - split port into multiple ones and squash again, enables usage of splitter cable 4) setting up shared buffers - shared among multiple ports within one chip we actually can also retrieve the same information through sysfs, .e.g |- [path to device] |--- migration | |--- self | | |---device_api | | |---mdev_type | | |---software_version | | |---device_id | | |---aggregator | |--- compatible | | |---device_api | | |---mdev_type | | |---software_version | | |---device_id | | |---aggregator > > > I feel like it's not very appropriate for a GPU driver to use > > this interface. Is that right? > > > I think not though most of the users are switch or ethernet devices. It > doesn't prevent you from inventing new abstractions. so need to patch devlink core and the userspace devlink tool? e.g. devlink migration > Note that devlink is based on netlink, netlink has been widely used by > various subsystems other than networking. the advantage of netlink I see is that it can monitor device status and notify upper layer that migration database needs to get updated. But not sure whether openstack would like to use this capability. As Sean said, it's heavy for openstack. it's heavy for vendor driver as well :) And devlink monitor now listens the notification and dumps the state changes. If we want to use it, need to let it forward the notification and dumped info to openstack, right? Thanks Yan