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From: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>
To: David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
Cc: pair@us.ibm.com, pbonzini@redhat.com, frankja@linux.ibm.com,
	brijesh.singh@amd.com, dgilbert@redhat.com,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>,
	qemu-ppc@nongnu.org, rth@twiddle.net, thuth@redhat.com,
	berrange@redhat.com, mdroth@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
	Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	Marcel Apfelbaum <marcel.apfelbaum@gmail.com>,
	david@redhat.com,
	Richard Henderson <richard.henderson@linaro.org>,
	borntraeger@de.ibm.com, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	qemu-s390x@nongnu.org, pasic@linux.ibm.com
Subject: Re: [for-6.0 v5 08/13] securable guest memory: Introduce sgm "ready" flag
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2020 12:24:35 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201217122435.5d7513fe.cohuck@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201217053820.GG310465@yekko.fritz.box>

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On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 16:38:20 +1100
David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au> wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 06:00:36PM +0100, Cornelia Huck wrote:
> > On Fri,  4 Dec 2020 16:44:10 +1100
> > David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au> wrote:
> >   
> > > The platform specific details of mechanisms for implementing securable
> > > guest memory may require setup at various points during initialization.
> > > Thus, it's not really feasible to have a single sgm initialization hook,
> > > but instead each mechanism needs its own initialization calls in arch or
> > > machine specific code.
> > > 
> > > However, to make it harder to have a bug where a mechanism isn't properly
> > > initialized under some circumstances, we want to have a common place,
> > > relatively late in boot, where we verify that sgm has been initialized if
> > > it was requested.
> > > 
> > > This patch introduces a ready flag to the SecurableGuestMemory base type
> > > to accomplish this, which we verify just before the machine specific
> > > initialization function.
> > > 
> > > Signed-off-by: David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
> > > ---
> > >  hw/core/machine.c                     | 8 ++++++++
> > >  include/exec/securable-guest-memory.h | 2 ++
> > >  target/i386/sev.c                     | 2 ++
> > >  3 files changed, 12 insertions(+)
> > > 
> > > diff --git a/hw/core/machine.c b/hw/core/machine.c
> > > index 816ea3ae3e..a67a27d03c 100644
> > > --- a/hw/core/machine.c
> > > +++ b/hw/core/machine.c
> > > @@ -1155,6 +1155,14 @@ void machine_run_board_init(MachineState *machine)
> > >      }
> > >  
> > >      if (machine->sgm) {
> > > +        /*
> > > +         * Where securable guest memory is initialized depends on the
> > > +         * specific mechanism in use.  But, we need to make sure it's
> > > +         * ready by now.  If it isn't, that's a bug in the
> > > +         * implementation of that sgm mechanism.
> > > +         */
> > > +        assert(machine->sgm->ready);  
> > 
> > Under which circumstances might we arrive here with 'ready' not set?
> > 
> > - programming error, setup is happening too late -> assert() seems
> >   appropriate  
> 
> Yes, this is designed to catch programming errors.  In particular I'm
> concerned about:
>   * Re-arranging the init code, and either entirely forgetting the sgm
>     setup, or accidentally moving it too late
>   * The sgm setup is buried in the machine setup code, conditional on
>     various things, and changes mean we no longer either call it or
>     (correctly) fail
>   * User has specified an sgm scheme designed for a machine type other
>     than the one they selected.  The arch/machine init code hasn't
>     correctly accounted for that possibility and ignores it, instead
>     of correctly throwing an error
>  
> > - we tried to set it up, but some error happened -> should we rely on
> >   the setup code to error out first? (i.e. we won't end up here, unless
> >   there's a programming error, in which case the assert() looks
> >   fine)  
> 
> Yes, that's my intention.
> 
> >   Is there a possible use case for "we could not set it up, but we
> >   support an unsecured guest (as long as it is clear what happens)"?  
> 
> I don't think so.  My feeling is that if you specify that you want the
> feature, qemu needs to either give it to you, or fail, not silently
> degrade the features presented to the guest.

Yes, that should align with what QEMU is doing elsewhere.

> 
> >   Likely only for guests that transition themselves, but one could
> >   argue that QEMU should simply be invoked a second time without the
> >   sgm stuff being specified in the error case.  
> 
> Right - I think whatever error we give here is likely to be easier to
> diagnose than the guest itself throwing an error when it fails to
> transition to secure mode (plus we should catch it always, rather than
> only if we run a guest which tries to go secure).

Yes, that makes sense.

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  reply	other threads:[~2020-12-17 11:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-12-04  5:44 [for-6.0 v5 00/13] Generalize memory encryption models David Gibson
2020-12-04  5:44 ` [for-6.0 v5 01/13] qom: Allow optional sugar props David Gibson
2020-12-04 12:57   ` Cornelia Huck
2020-12-14 21:25   ` Eduardo Habkost
2021-01-11 18:04   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2020-12-04  5:44 ` [for-6.0 v5 02/13] securable guest memory: Introduce new securable guest memory base class David Gibson
2020-12-04  5:44 ` [for-6.0 v5 03/13] securable guest memory: Handle memory encryption via interface David Gibson
2020-12-04 13:10   ` Cornelia Huck
2021-01-08  4:03     ` David Gibson
2021-01-12  3:49     ` David Gibson
2020-12-04  5:44 ` [for-6.0 v5 04/13] securable guest memory: Move side effect out of machine_set_memory_encryption() David Gibson
2020-12-04  5:44 ` [for-6.0 v5 05/13] securable guest memory: Rework the "memory-encryption" property David Gibson
2021-01-11 18:09   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2020-12-04  5:44 ` [for-6.0 v5 06/13] securable guest memory: Decouple kvm_memcrypt_*() helpers from KVM David Gibson
2021-01-11 18:13   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-01-12  3:03     ` David Gibson
2020-12-04  5:44 ` [for-6.0 v5 07/13] sev: Add Error ** to sev_kvm_init() David Gibson
2020-12-14 16:50   ` Cornelia Huck
2020-12-04  5:44 ` [for-6.0 v5 08/13] securable guest memory: Introduce sgm "ready" flag David Gibson
2020-12-14 17:00   ` Cornelia Huck
2020-12-17  5:38     ` David Gibson
2020-12-17 11:24       ` Cornelia Huck [this message]
2020-12-04  5:44 ` [for-6.0 v5 09/13] securable guest memory: Move SEV initialization into arch specific code David Gibson
2020-12-04  5:44 ` [for-6.0 v5 10/13] spapr: Add PEF based securable guest memory David Gibson
2021-01-05 23:34   ` Ram Pai
2021-01-08  0:34     ` David Gibson
2020-12-04  5:44 ` [for-6.0 v5 11/13] spapr: PEF: prevent migration David Gibson
2020-12-14 17:22   ` Cornelia Huck
2020-12-17  5:47     ` David Gibson
2020-12-17 11:38       ` Cornelia Huck
2020-12-17 14:15         ` Greg Kurz
2020-12-18 11:41           ` Cornelia Huck
2020-12-18 12:08             ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-01-04  7:15             ` Ram Pai
2021-01-04 12:46               ` [EXTERNAL] " Halil Pasic
2021-01-04 18:40                 ` Ram Pai
2021-01-05 10:56                   ` [EXTERNAL] " Halil Pasic
2021-01-05 20:41                     ` Ram Pai
2021-01-11 16:59                       ` Cornelia Huck
2021-01-11 19:58                         ` Ram Pai
2021-01-12  8:19                           ` Cornelia Huck
2021-01-12 18:55                             ` Ram Pai
2021-01-13  8:06                               ` Cornelia Huck
2021-01-15 18:55                                 ` Ram Pai
2021-01-19  8:19                                   ` Cornelia Huck
2021-01-19  9:59                                   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-01-14 11:23                           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-01-13 12:42                         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-01-14 10:28                           ` Christian Borntraeger
2021-01-14 10:36                             ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-01-14 10:52                               ` Christian Borntraeger
2021-01-14 11:05                                 ` Cornelia Huck
2021-01-14 11:45                                   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-01-14 11:50                                     ` Christian Borntraeger
2021-01-14 12:20                                       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-01-14 14:04                                         ` Cornelia Huck
2021-01-14 14:09                                           ` Christian Borntraeger
2021-01-14 14:15                                             ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-01-14 15:25                                               ` Christian Borntraeger
2021-01-14 15:33                                                 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-01-15 18:24                               ` Ram Pai
2021-01-14 11:25                           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-01-14 23:51                             ` David Gibson
2021-01-18 17:39                               ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-01-19  8:28                                 ` Christian Borntraeger
2021-01-19  8:34                                   ` Cornelia Huck
2020-12-04  5:44 ` [for-6.0 v5 12/13] securable guest memory: Alter virtio default properties for protected guests David Gibson
2020-12-04  8:10   ` Christian Borntraeger
2020-12-04  8:17     ` Cornelia Huck
2020-12-04  8:29       ` Christian Borntraeger
2020-12-04 14:43         ` Halil Pasic
2020-12-08  1:54           ` David Gibson
2020-12-08  8:16             ` Christian Borntraeger
2020-12-08 10:28             ` Halil Pasic
2020-12-08 12:50               ` Cornelia Huck
2020-12-17  5:53                 ` David Gibson
2020-12-04 17:04   ` Cornelia Huck
2020-12-04  5:44 ` [for-6.0 v5 13/13] s390: Recognize securable-guest-memory option David Gibson
2020-12-15 11:45   ` Cornelia Huck
2020-12-17  5:54     ` David Gibson
2020-12-04  8:06 ` [for-6.0 v5 00/13] Generalize memory encryption models Christian Borntraeger
2020-12-04 13:02   ` Cornelia Huck
2020-12-04 13:07     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-12-04 13:12       ` Cornelia Huck
2020-12-08  2:57         ` David Gibson
2020-12-08 12:43           ` Cornelia Huck
2020-12-17  6:21             ` David Gibson
2020-12-17 11:43               ` Cornelia Huck
2020-12-04 13:25       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-12-04 13:51         ` Halil Pasic
2020-12-08  2:54     ` David Gibson
2020-12-04  9:50 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-01-12  3:02   ` David Gibson

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