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From: Kai Huang <kai.huang@intel.com>
To: Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>
Cc: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org, linux-sgx@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, jarkko@kernel.org, luto@kernel.org,
	dave.hansen@intel.com, rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com,
	haitao.huang@intel.com, pbonzini@redhat.com, tglx@linutronix.de,
	mingo@redhat.com, hpa@zytor.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 03/25] x86/sgx: Wipe out EREMOVE from sgx_free_epc_page()
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 11:06:43 +1300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210323110643.f29e214ebe8ec7a4a3d0bc2e@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210322210645.GI6481@zn.tnic>

On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 22:06:45 +0100 Borislav Petkov wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 12:37:02PM -0700, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > Yes.  Note, it's still true if you strike out the "too", KVM support is completely
> > orthogonal to this code.  The purpose of this patch is to separate out the EREMOVE
> > path used for host enclaves (/dev/sgx_enclave), because EPC virtualization for
> > KVM will have non-buggy scenarios where EREMOVE can fail.  But the virt EPC code
> > is designed to handle that gracefully.
> 
> "gracefully" as it won't leak EPC pages which would require a host reboot? That
> leaking is done by host enclaves only?

This path is called by host SGX driver only, so yes this leaking is done by
host enclaves only.

This patch is purpose is to break EREMOVE out of sgx_free_epc_page() so virtual
EPC code can use sgx_free_epc_page(), and handle EREMOVE logic differently.
This patch doesn't have intention to bring functional change.  I changed the
error msg because Dave said it worth to give a message saying EPC page is
leaked, and I thought this minor change won't break anything.

Perpahps we can avoid changing error message but stick to existing SGX driver
behavior? 

> 
> > Hmm.  I don't think it warrants BUG.  At worst, leaking EPC pages is fatal only
> > to SGX.
> 
> Fatal how? If it keeps leaking, at some point it won't have any pages
> for EPC pages anymore?
> 
> Btw, I probably have seen this and forgotten again so pls remind me,
> is the amount of pages available for SGX use static and limited by,
> I believe BIOS, or can a leakage in EPC pages cause system memory
> shortage?
> 
> > If the underlying bug caused other fallout, e.g. didn't release a
> > lock, then obviously that could be fatal to the kernel. But I don't
> > think there's ever a case where SGX being unusuable would prevent the
> > kernel from functioning.
> 
> This kinda replies my question above but still...
> 
> > Probably something in between.  Odds are good SGX will eventually become
> > unusuable, e.g. either kernel SGX support is completely hosted, or it will soon
> > leak the majority of EPC pages.  Something like this?
> > 
> >   "EREMOVE returned %d (0x%x), kernel bug likely.  EPC page leaked, SGX may become unusuable.  Reboot recommended to continue using SGX."
> 
> So all this handwaving I'm doing is to provoke a proper response from
> you guys as to how a EPC page leaking is supposed to be handled by the
> users of the technology:
> 
> 1. Issue a warning message and forget about it, eventual reboot

This is the existing SGX driver behavior IMHO. It just gives a WARN() saying
EREMOVE failed with the error code printed.  The EPC page is leaked w/o any
message to user.  I can live with it, and it is existing code anyway.

btw, currently virtual EPC code (patch 5) handles in similar way: There's one
EREMOVE error is expected and virtual EPC code can handle, but for other
errors, it means kernel bug, and virtual EPC code gives a WARN(), and that EPC
page is leaked too:

+		WARN_ONCE(ret != SGX_CHILD_PRESENT,
+			  "EREMOVE (EPC page 0x%lx): unexpected error: %d\n",
+			  sgx_get_epc_phys_addr(epc_page), ret);
+		return ret;

So to me they are just WARN() to catch kernel bug.

> 
> 2. Really scary message to make users reboot sooner
> 
> 3. Detect when host enclaves are run while guest enclaves are running
> and issue a warning then.

This code path has nothing to do with guest enclaves.

> 
> 4. Fall on knees and pray to not get sued by customers because their
> enclaves are not working anymore.
> 
> ....
> 
> Btw, 4. needs to be considered properly so that people can cover asses.

If we are talking about CSPs being unable to provide correct services to
customers due to kernel bug, I think this is a bigger question but not
just related to SGX,  since other kernel bug can also cause similar problem, for
instance, VM or SGX process itself being killed.

> 
> Oh and whatever we end up deciding, we should document that in
> Documentation/... somewhere and point users to it in that warning
> message where a longer treatise is explaining the whole deal properly.
> 
> -- 
> Regards/Gruss,
>     Boris.
> 
> https://people.kernel.org/tglx/notes-about-netiquette

  reply	other threads:[~2021-03-22 22:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-03-19  7:29 [PATCH v3 00/25] KVM SGX virtualization support Kai Huang
2021-03-19  7:22 ` [PATCH v3 01/25] x86/cpufeatures: Make SGX_LC feature bit depend on SGX bit Kai Huang
2021-03-19  7:22 ` [PATCH v3 02/25] x86/cpufeatures: Add SGX1 and SGX2 sub-features Kai Huang
2021-03-19  7:22 ` [PATCH v3 03/25] x86/sgx: Wipe out EREMOVE from sgx_free_epc_page() Kai Huang
2021-03-22 18:16   ` Borislav Petkov
2021-03-22 18:56     ` Sean Christopherson
2021-03-22 19:11       ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-03-22 20:43         ` Kai Huang
2021-03-23 16:40           ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-03-22 19:15       ` Borislav Petkov
2021-03-22 19:37         ` Sean Christopherson
2021-03-22 20:36           ` Kai Huang
2021-03-22 21:06           ` Borislav Petkov
2021-03-22 22:06             ` Kai Huang [this message]
2021-03-22 22:37               ` Borislav Petkov
2021-03-22 23:16                 ` Kai Huang
2021-03-23 15:45                   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-03-23 16:06                     ` Borislav Petkov
2021-03-23 16:21                       ` Sean Christopherson
2021-03-23 16:32                         ` Borislav Petkov
2021-03-23 16:51                           ` Sean Christopherson
2021-03-24  9:38                           ` Kai Huang
2021-03-24 10:09                             ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-03-24 10:48                               ` Kai Huang
2021-03-24 11:24                                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-03-24 23:23                               ` Kai Huang
2021-03-24 23:39                                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-03-24 23:46                                   ` Kai Huang
2021-03-25  8:42                                     ` Borislav Petkov
2021-03-25  9:38                                       ` Kai Huang
2021-03-25 16:52                                         ` Borislav Petkov
2021-03-24  9:28                         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2021-03-23 16:38                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-03-23 17:02                         ` Sean Christopherson
2021-03-23 17:06                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-03-23 17:16                             ` Sean Christopherson
2021-03-23 18:16                             ` Borislav Petkov
2021-03-24  9:26                       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2021-03-22 22:23             ` Kai Huang
2021-03-25  9:30   ` [PATCH v4 " Kai Huang
2021-03-26 19:48     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2021-03-26 20:38       ` Kai Huang
2021-03-26 21:39       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2021-03-19  7:22 ` [PATCH v3 04/25] x86/sgx: Add SGX_CHILD_PRESENT hardware error code Kai Huang
2021-03-19  7:22 ` [PATCH v3 05/25] x86/sgx: Introduce virtual EPC for use by KVM guests Kai Huang
2021-03-25  9:36   ` Kai Huang
2021-03-26 15:03   ` Borislav Petkov
2021-03-26 15:17     ` Dave Hansen
2021-03-26 15:29       ` Borislav Petkov
2021-03-26 15:35         ` Dave Hansen
2021-03-26 17:02           ` Borislav Petkov
2021-03-31  1:10     ` Kai Huang
2021-03-31  6:44       ` Boris Petkov
2021-03-31  6:51         ` Kai Huang
2021-03-31  7:44           ` Boris Petkov
2021-03-31  8:53             ` Kai Huang
2021-03-31 12:20               ` Kai Huang
2021-04-01 18:31                 ` Borislav Petkov
2021-04-01 23:38                   ` Kai Huang
2021-04-01  9:45               ` Kai Huang
2021-04-01  9:42   ` [PATCH v4 " Kai Huang
2021-04-05  9:01   ` [PATCH v3 " Borislav Petkov
2021-04-05 21:46     ` Kai Huang
2021-04-06  8:28       ` Borislav Petkov
2021-04-06  9:04         ` Kai Huang
2021-03-19  7:22 ` [PATCH v3 06/25] x86/cpu/intel: Allow SGX virtualization without Launch Control support Kai Huang
2021-03-19  7:23 ` [PATCH v3 07/25] x86/sgx: Initialize virtual EPC driver even when SGX driver is disabled Kai Huang
2021-04-02  9:48   ` Borislav Petkov
2021-04-02 11:08     ` Kai Huang
2021-04-02 11:22       ` Borislav Petkov
2021-04-02 11:38         ` Kai Huang
2021-04-02 15:42     ` Sean Christopherson
2021-04-02 19:08       ` Kai Huang
2021-04-02 19:19       ` Borislav Petkov
2021-04-02 19:30         ` Sean Christopherson
2021-04-02 19:46           ` Borislav Petkov
2021-03-19  7:23 ` [PATCH v3 08/25] x86/sgx: Expose SGX architectural definitions to the kernel Kai Huang
2021-03-19  7:23 ` [PATCH v3 09/25] x86/sgx: Move ENCLS leaf definitions to sgx.h Kai Huang
2021-03-19  7:23 ` [PATCH v3 10/25] x86/sgx: Add SGX2 ENCLS leaf definitions (EAUG, EMODPR and EMODT) Kai Huang
2021-03-19  7:23 ` [PATCH v3 11/25] x86/sgx: Add encls_faulted() helper Kai Huang
2021-03-19  7:23 ` [PATCH v3 12/25] x86/sgx: Add helper to update SGX_LEPUBKEYHASHn MSRs Kai Huang
2021-03-19  7:23 ` [PATCH v3 13/25] x86/sgx: Add helpers to expose ECREATE and EINIT to KVM Kai Huang
2021-04-05  9:07   ` Borislav Petkov
2021-04-05 21:44     ` Kai Huang
2021-04-06  7:40       ` Borislav Petkov
2021-04-06  8:59         ` Kai Huang
2021-04-06  9:09           ` Borislav Petkov
2021-04-06  9:24             ` Kai Huang
2021-04-06  9:32               ` Borislav Petkov
2021-04-06  9:41                 ` Kai Huang
2021-04-06 17:08                   ` Borislav Petkov
2021-04-06 20:33                     ` Kai Huang
2021-03-19  7:23 ` [PATCH v3 14/25] x86/sgx: Move provisioning device creation out of SGX driver Kai Huang
2021-03-19  7:23 ` [PATCH v3 15/25] KVM: x86: Export kvm_mmu_gva_to_gpa_{read,write}() for SGX (VMX) Kai Huang
2021-03-19  7:23 ` [PATCH v3 16/25] KVM: x86: Define new #PF SGX error code bit Kai Huang
2021-03-19  7:23 ` [PATCH v3 17/25] KVM: x86: Add support for reverse CPUID lookup of scattered features Kai Huang
2021-03-19  7:23 ` [PATCH v3 18/25] KVM: x86: Add reverse-CPUID lookup support for scattered SGX features Kai Huang
2021-03-19  7:23 ` [PATCH v3 19/25] KVM: VMX: Add basic handling of VM-Exit from SGX enclave Kai Huang
2021-03-19  7:23 ` [PATCH v3 20/25] KVM: VMX: Frame in ENCLS handler for SGX virtualization Kai Huang
2021-03-19  7:23 ` [PATCH v3 21/25] KVM: VMX: Add SGX ENCLS[ECREATE] handler to enforce CPUID restrictions Kai Huang
2021-03-19  7:23 ` [PATCH v3 22/25] KVM: VMX: Add emulation of SGX Launch Control LE hash MSRs Kai Huang
2021-03-19  7:23 ` [PATCH v3 23/25] KVM: VMX: Add ENCLS[EINIT] handler to support SGX Launch Control (LC) Kai Huang
2021-03-19  7:23 ` [PATCH v3 24/25] KVM: VMX: Enable SGX virtualization for SGX1, SGX2 and LC Kai Huang
2021-03-19  7:24 ` [PATCH v3 25/25] KVM: x86: Add capability to grant VM access to privileged SGX attribute Kai Huang
2021-03-19 14:52 ` [PATCH v3 00/25] KVM SGX virtualization support Jarkko Sakkinen
2021-03-22 10:03   ` Kai Huang
2021-03-22 10:31     ` Borislav Petkov
2021-03-26 22:46 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2021-03-28 21:01   ` Huang, Kai
2021-03-31 23:23     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2021-03-09  1:39 [PATCH v2 03/25] x86/sgx: Wipe out EREMOVE from sgx_free_epc_page() Kai Huang
2021-03-11  2:01 ` [PATCH v3 " Kai Huang
2021-03-12 21:21   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-03-13 10:45     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2021-03-15  7:12       ` Kai Huang
2021-03-15 13:18         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2021-03-15 13:19           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2021-03-15 20:29             ` Kai Huang
2021-03-15 22:59               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2021-03-15 23:50                 ` Kai Huang
2021-03-15 23:11               ` Jarkko Sakkinen

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