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From: "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name>
To: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
Cc: "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Jim Mattson <jmattson@google.com>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	"Edgecombe, Rick P" <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>,
	"Kleen, Andi" <andi.kleen@intel.com>,
	"Yamahata, Isaku" <isaku.yamahata@intel.com>,
	Erdem Aktas <erdemaktas@google.com>,
	Steve Rutherford <srutherford@google.com>,
	Peter Gonda <pgonda@google.com>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	Chao Peng <chao.p.peng@linux.intel.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
Subject: Re: [RFCv2 13/13] KVM: unmap guest memory using poisoned pages
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2021 02:33:53 +0300
Message-ID: <20210602233353.gxq35yxluhas5knp@box> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YLfFBgPeWZ91TfH7@google.com>

On Wed, Jun 02, 2021 at 05:51:02PM +0000, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > Omitting FOLL_GUEST for shared memory doesn't look like a right approach.
> > IIUC, it would require the kernel to track what memory is share and what
> > private, which defeat the purpose of the rework. I would rather enforce
> > !PageGuest() when share SEPT is populated in addition to enforcing
> > PageGuest() fro private SEPT.
> Isn't that what omitting FOLL_GUEST would accomplish?  For shared memory,
> including mapping memory into the shared EPT, KVM will omit FOLL_GUEST and thus
> require the memory to be readable/writable according to the guest access type.

Ah. I guess I see what you're saying: we can pipe down the shared bit from
GPA from direct_page_fault() (or whatever handles the fault) down to
hva_to_pfn_slow() and omit FOLL_GUEST if the shared bit is set. Right?

I guest it's doable, but codeshuffling going to be ugly.

> By definition, that excludes PageGuest() because PageGuest() pages must always
> be unmapped, e.g. PROTNONE.  And for private EPT, because PageGuest() is always
> PROTNONE or whatever, it will require FOLL_GUEST to retrieve the PTE/PMD/Pxx.
> On a semi-related topic, I don't think can_follow_write_pte() is the correct
> place to hook PageGuest().  TDX's S-EPT has a quirk where all private guest
> memory must be mapped writable, but that quirk doesn't hold true for non-TDX
> guests.  It should be legal to map private guest memory as read-only.

Hm. The point of the change in can_follow_write_pte() is to only allow to
write to a PageGuest() page if FOLL_GUEST is used and the mapping is
writable. Without the change gup(FOLL_GUEST|FOLL_WRITE) would fail.

It doesn't prevent using read-only guest mappings as read-only. But if you
want to write to it it has to writable (in addtion to FOLL_GUEST). 

> And I believe the below snippet in follow_page_pte() will be problematic
> too, since FOLL_NUMA is added unless FOLL_FORCE is set.  I suspect the
> correct approach is to handle FOLL_GUEST as an exception to
> pte_protnone(), though that might require adjusting pte_protnone() to be
> meaningful even when CONFIG_NUMA_BALANCING=n.
> 	if ((flags & FOLL_NUMA) && pte_protnone(pte))
> 		goto no_page;
> 	if ((flags & FOLL_WRITE) && !can_follow_write_pte(pte, flags)) {
> 		pte_unmap_unlock(ptep, ptl);
> 		return NULL;
> 	}

Good catch. I'll look into how to untangle NUMA balancing and PageGuest().
It shouldn't be hard. PageGuest() pages should be subject for balancing.

> > Do you see any problems with this?
> > 
> > > Oh, and the other nicety is that I think it would avoid having to explicitly
> > > handle PageGuest() memory that is being accessed from kernel/KVM, i.e. if all
> > > memory exposed to KVM must be !PageGuest(), then it is also eligible for
> > > copy_{to,from}_user().
> > 
> > copy_{to,from}_user() enforce by setting PTE entries to PROT_NONE.
> But KVM does _not_ want those PTEs PROT_NONE.  If KVM is accessing memory that
> is also accessible by the the guest, then it must be shared.  And if it's shared,
> it must also be accessible to host userspace, i.e. something other than PROT_NONE,
> otherwise the memory isn't actually shared with anything.
> As above, any guest-accessible memory that is accessed by the host must be
> shared, and so must be mapped with the required permissions.

I don't see contradiction here: copy_{to,from}_user() would fail with

By saying in initial posting that inserting PageGuest() into shared is
fine, I didn't mean it's usefule, just allowed.

 Kirill A. Shutemov

  reply index

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-04-16 15:40 [RFCv2 00/13] TDX and guest memory unmapping Kirill A. Shutemov
2021-04-16 15:40 ` [RFCv2 01/13] x86/mm: Move force_dma_unencrypted() to common code Kirill A. Shutemov
2021-04-16 15:40 ` [RFCv2 02/13] x86/kvm: Introduce KVM memory protection feature Kirill A. Shutemov
2021-04-16 16:10   ` Borislav Petkov
2021-04-19 10:10     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2021-04-16 15:40 ` [RFCv2 03/13] x86/kvm: Make DMA pages shared Kirill A. Shutemov
2021-04-16 15:40 ` [RFCv2 04/13] x86/kvm: Use bounce buffers for KVM memory protection Kirill A. Shutemov
2021-04-16 16:21   ` Dave Hansen
2021-04-16 15:40 ` [RFCv2 05/13] x86/kvmclock: Share hvclock memory with the host Kirill A. Shutemov
2021-04-16 15:40 ` [RFCv2 06/13] x86/realmode: Share trampoline area if KVM memory protection enabled Kirill A. Shutemov
2021-04-19 16:49   ` Dave Hansen
2021-04-16 15:41 ` [RFCv2 07/13] mm: Add hwpoison_entry_to_pfn() and hwpoison_entry_to_page() Kirill A. Shutemov
2021-04-16 15:41 ` [RFCv2 08/13] mm/gup: Add FOLL_ALLOW_POISONED Kirill A. Shutemov
2021-04-16 15:41 ` [RFCv2 09/13] shmem: Fail shmem_getpage_gfp() on poisoned pages Kirill A. Shutemov
2021-04-16 15:41 ` [RFCv2 10/13] mm: Keep page reference for hwpoison entries Kirill A. Shutemov
2021-04-16 15:41 ` [RFCv2 11/13] mm: Replace hwpoison entry with present PTE if page got unpoisoned Kirill A. Shutemov
2021-04-16 15:41 ` [RFCv2 12/13] KVM: passdown struct kvm to hva_to_pfn_slow() Kirill A. Shutemov
2021-04-16 15:41 ` [RFCv2 13/13] KVM: unmap guest memory using poisoned pages Kirill A. Shutemov
2021-04-16 17:30   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-04-19 11:32     ` Xiaoyao Li
2021-04-19 14:26     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2021-04-19 16:01       ` Sean Christopherson
2021-04-19 16:40         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2021-04-19 18:09           ` Sean Christopherson
2021-04-19 18:12             ` David Hildenbrand
2021-04-19 18:53             ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2021-04-19 20:09               ` Sean Christopherson
2021-04-19 22:57                 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2021-04-20 17:13                   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-05-21 12:31                     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2021-05-26 19:46                       ` Sean Christopherson
2021-05-31 20:07                         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2021-06-02 17:51                           ` Sean Christopherson
2021-06-02 23:33                             ` Kirill A. Shutemov [this message]
2021-06-03 19:46                               ` Sean Christopherson
2021-06-04 14:29                                 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2021-06-04 17:16                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-04 17:54                         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2021-04-16 16:46 ` [RFCv2 00/13] TDX and guest memory unmapping Matthew Wilcox

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