From: "Raj, Ashok" <ashok.raj@intel.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
Cc: "Tian, Kevin" <kevin.tian@intel.com>,
Shenming Lu <lushenming@huawei.com>,
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Subject: Re: [RFC v2] /dev/iommu uAPI proposal
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 10:48:36 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210715174836.GB593686@otc-nc-03> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210715171826.GG543781@nvidia.com>
On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 02:18:26PM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 09:21:41AM -0700, Raj, Ashok wrote:
> > On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 12:23:25PM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > > On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 06:57:57AM -0700, Raj, Ashok wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 09:48:13AM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > > > > On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 06:49:54AM +0000, Tian, Kevin wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > No. You are right on this case. I don't think there is a way to
> > > > > > differentiate one mdev from the other if they come from the
> > > > > > same parent and attached by the same guest process. In this
> > > > > > case the fault could be reported on either mdev (e.g. the first
> > > > > > matching one) to get it fixed in the guest.
> > > > >
> > > > > If the IOMMU can't distinguish the two mdevs they are not isolated
> > > > > and would have to share a group. Since group sharing is not supported
> > > > > today this seems like a non-issue
> > > >
> > > > Does this mean we have to prevent 2 mdev's from same pdev being assigned to
> > > > the same guest?
> > >
> > > No, it means that the IOMMU layer has to be able to distinguish them.
> >
> > Ok, the guest has no control over it, as it see 2 separate pci devices and
> > thinks they are all different.
> >
> > Only time when it can fail is during the bind operation. From guest
> > perspective a bind in vIOMMU just turns into a write to local table and a
> > invalidate will cause the host to update the real copy from the shadow.
> >
> > There is no way to fail the bind? and Allocation of the PASID is also a
> > separate operation and has no clue how its going to be used in the guest.
>
> You can't attach the same RID to the same PASID twice. The IOMMU code
> should prevent this.
>
> As we've talked about several times, it seems to me the vIOMMU
> interface is misdesigned for the requirements you have. The hypervisor
> should have a role in allocating the PASID since there are invisible
> hypervisor restrictions. This is one of them.
Allocating a PASID is a separate step from binding, isn't it? In vt-d we
have a virtual command interface that can fail an allocation of PASID. But
which device its bound to is a dynamic thing that only gets at bind_mm()
right?
>
> > Do we have any isolation requirements here? its the same process. So if the
> > page-request it sent to guest and even if you report it for mdev1, after
> > the PRQ is resolved by guest, the request from mdev2 from the same guest
> > should simply work?
>
> I think we already talked about this and said it should not be done.
I get the should not be done, I'm wondering where should that be
implemented?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-07-15 17:49 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-07-09 7:48 [RFC v2] /dev/iommu uAPI proposal Tian, Kevin
2021-07-09 21:50 ` Alex Williamson
2021-07-12 1:22 ` Tian, Kevin
2021-07-12 18:41 ` Alex Williamson
2021-07-12 23:41 ` Tian, Kevin
2021-07-12 23:56 ` Tian, Kevin
2021-07-13 12:55 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-07-13 16:26 ` Alex Williamson
2021-07-13 16:32 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-07-13 22:48 ` Tian, Kevin
2021-07-13 23:02 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-07-13 23:20 ` Tian, Kevin
2021-07-13 23:22 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-07-13 23:24 ` Tian, Kevin
2021-07-15 3:20 ` Shenming Lu
2021-07-15 3:55 ` Tian, Kevin
2021-07-15 6:29 ` Shenming Lu
2021-07-15 6:49 ` Tian, Kevin
2021-07-15 8:14 ` Shenming Lu
2021-07-15 12:48 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-07-15 13:57 ` Raj, Ashok
2021-07-15 15:23 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-07-15 16:21 ` Raj, Ashok
2021-07-15 17:18 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-07-15 17:48 ` Raj, Ashok [this message]
2021-07-15 17:53 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-07-15 18:05 ` Raj, Ashok
2021-07-15 18:13 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-07-16 1:20 ` Tian, Kevin
2021-07-16 12:20 ` Shenming Lu
2021-07-21 2:13 ` Tian, Kevin
2021-07-22 16:30 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-07-16 18:30 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-07-21 2:11 ` Tian, Kevin
2021-07-26 4:50 ` David Gibson
2021-07-28 4:04 ` Tian, Kevin
2021-08-03 1:50 ` David Gibson
2021-08-03 3:19 ` Tian, Kevin
2021-08-06 4:45 ` David Gibson
2021-08-06 12:32 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-08-10 6:10 ` David Gibson
2021-08-09 8:34 ` Tian, Kevin
2021-08-10 4:47 ` David Gibson
2021-08-10 6:04 ` Tian, Kevin
2021-07-30 14:51 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-08-02 2:49 ` Tian, Kevin
2021-08-04 14:04 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-08-04 22:59 ` Tian, Kevin
2021-08-05 11:27 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-08-05 22:44 ` Tian, Kevin
2021-08-06 4:47 ` David Gibson
2021-08-03 1:58 ` David Gibson
2021-08-04 14:07 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-08-06 4:24 ` David Gibson
2021-07-26 8:14 ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2021-07-28 4:05 ` Tian, Kevin
2021-08-04 15:59 ` Eric Auger
2021-08-05 0:36 ` Tian, Kevin
2021-08-10 7:17 ` Eric Auger
2021-08-10 9:00 ` Tian, Kevin
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