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From: "Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult" <lkml@metux.net>
To: "Tian, Kevin" <kevin.tian@intel.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>, Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>,
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Cc: Eric Auger <eric.auger@redhat.com>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	"Raj, Ashok" <ashok.raj@intel.com>,
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	Jacob Pan <jacob.jun.pan@linux.intel.com>,
	Jean-Philippe Brucker <jean-philippe@linaro.org>,
	David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>,
	Kirti Wankhede <kwankhede@nvidia.com>,
	Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC] /dev/ioasid uAPI proposal
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2021 10:56:48 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <bb6846bf-bd3c-3802-e0d7-226ec9b33384@metux.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR11MB1886422D4839B372C6AB245F8C239@MWHPR11MB1886.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

On 27.05.21 09:58, Tian, Kevin wrote:

Hi,

> /dev/ioasid provides an unified interface for managing I/O page tables for
> devices assigned to userspace. Device passthrough frameworks (VFIO, vDPA,
> etc.) are expected to use this interface instead of creating their own logic to
> isolate untrusted device DMAs initiated by userspace.

While I'm in favour of having generic APIs for generic tasks, as well as
using FDs, I wonder whether it has to be a new and separate device.

Now applications have to use multiple APIs in lockstep. One consequence
of that is operators, as well as provisioning systems, container
infrastructures, etc, always have to consider multiple devices together.

You can't just say "give workload XY access to device /dev/foo" anymore.
Now you have to take care about scenarios like "if someone wants
/dev/foo, he also needs /dev/bar"). And if that happens multiple times
together ("/dev/foo and /dev/wurst, both require /dev/bar), leading to
scenarios like the dev nodes are bind-mounted somewhere, you need to
take care that additional devices aren't bind-mounted twice, etc ...

If I understand this correctly, /dev/ioasid is a kind of "common 
supplier" to other APIs / devices. Why can't the fd be acquired by the
consumer APIs (eg. kvm, vfio, etc) ?


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-06-02  8:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 258+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-05-27  7:58 [RFC] /dev/ioasid uAPI proposal Tian, Kevin
2021-05-28  2:24 ` Jason Wang
2021-05-28 20:25   ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]   ` <20210531164118.265789ee@yiliu-dev>
2021-06-01  2:36     ` Jason Wang
2021-06-01  4:27       ` Shenming Lu
2021-06-01  5:10         ` Jason Wang
     [not found]       ` <20210601113152.6d09e47b@yiliu-dev>
2021-06-01  5:08         ` Jason Wang
2021-06-01  5:23           ` Lu Baolu
2021-06-01  5:29             ` Jason Wang
2021-06-01  5:42               ` Tian, Kevin
2021-06-01  6:07                 ` Jason Wang
2021-06-01  6:16                   ` Tian, Kevin
2021-06-01  8:47                     ` Jason Wang
2021-06-01 17:31                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-02  8:54                         ` Jason Wang
2021-06-02 17:21                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-07 13:30                             ` Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
2021-06-07 18:01                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-08 10:45                                 ` Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
2021-06-10  2:16                                   ` Jason Wang
2021-06-08  1:10                             ` Jason Wang
2021-06-08 13:20                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-10  2:00                                 ` Jason Wang
2021-06-10  4:03                                   ` Jason Wang
2021-06-10 11:47                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-11  5:43                                     ` Jason Wang
2021-06-01 17:29                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-02  8:58                     ` Jason Wang
2021-05-28 16:23 ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2021-05-28 20:16   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-01  7:50   ` Tian, Kevin
2021-05-28 17:35 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-01  8:10   ` Tian, Kevin
2021-06-01 17:42     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-02  1:33       ` Tian, Kevin
2021-06-02 16:09         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-03  1:29           ` Tian, Kevin
2021-06-03  5:09             ` David Gibson
2021-06-03  6:49               ` Tian, Kevin
2021-06-03 11:47                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-04  2:15                   ` Tian, Kevin
2021-06-08  0:49                 ` David Gibson
2021-06-09  2:52                   ` Tian, Kevin
2021-06-02  6:32   ` David Gibson
2021-06-02 16:16     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-03  2:11       ` Tian, Kevin
2021-06-03  5:13       ` David Gibson
2021-06-03 11:52         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-08  0:53           ` David Gibson
2021-06-08 19:04             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-17  2:42               ` David Gibson
2021-05-28 19:58 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-01  8:38   ` Tian, Kevin
2021-06-01 17:56     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-02  2:00       ` Tian, Kevin
2021-06-02  6:57       ` David Gibson
2021-06-02 16:37         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-03  5:23           ` David Gibson
2021-06-03 12:28             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-08  6:04               ` David Gibson
2021-06-08 19:23                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-02  6:48   ` David Gibson
2021-06-02 16:58     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-03  2:49       ` Tian, Kevin
2021-06-03  5:48         ` David Gibson
2021-06-03  5:45       ` David Gibson
2021-06-03 12:11         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-04  6:08           ` Tian, Kevin
2021-06-04 12:33             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-04 23:20               ` Tian, Kevin
2021-06-08  6:13           ` David Gibson
2021-06-04 10:24         ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2021-06-04 12:05           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-04 17:27             ` Jacob Pan
2021-06-04 17:40               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-08  6:31           ` David Gibson
2021-06-10 16:37             ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2021-06-17  3:00               ` David Gibson
2021-06-18 17:03                 ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2021-06-18 18:30                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-23  8:19                     ` Tian, Kevin
2021-06-23  7:57                   ` Tian, Kevin
2021-06-24  3:49                   ` David Gibson
2021-05-28 20:03 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-01  7:01   ` Tian, Kevin
2021-06-01 20:28     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-02  1:25       ` Tian, Kevin
2021-06-02 23:27         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-04  8:17         ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2021-06-04  8:43           ` Tian, Kevin
2021-06-02  8:52       ` Jason Wang
2021-06-02 16:07         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-01 22:22     ` Alex Williamson
2021-06-02  2:20       ` Tian, Kevin
2021-06-02 16:01         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-02 17:11           ` Alex Williamson
2021-06-02 17:35             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-02 18:01               ` Alex Williamson
2021-06-02 18:09                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-02 19:00                   ` Alex Williamson
2021-06-02 19:54                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-02 20:37                       ` Alex Williamson
2021-06-02 22:45                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-03  2:50                           ` Alex Williamson
2021-06-03  3:22                             ` Tian, Kevin
2021-06-03  4:14                               ` Alex Williamson
2021-06-03  5:18                                 ` Tian, Kevin
2021-06-03 12:40                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-03 20:41                                 ` Alex Williamson
2021-06-04  9:19                                   ` Tian, Kevin
2021-06-04 15:37                                     ` Alex Williamson
2021-06-04 12:13                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-04 21:45                                     ` Alex Williamson
2021-06-04  7:33                                 ` Tian, Kevin
2021-06-03 12:34                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-03 20:01                               ` Alex Williamson
2021-06-03 20:10                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-03 21:44                                   ` Alex Williamson
2021-06-04  8:38                                     ` Tian, Kevin
2021-06-04 12:28                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-04 15:26                                         ` Alex Williamson
2021-06-04 15:40                                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-06-04 15:50                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-04 15:57                                               ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-06-04 16:03                                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-04 16:10                                                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-06-04 17:22                                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-04 21:29                                                       ` Alex Williamson
2021-06-04 23:01                                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-07 15:41                                                           ` Alex Williamson
2021-06-07 18:18                                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-07 18:59                                                               ` Alex Williamson
2021-06-07 19:08                                                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-07 19:41                                                                   ` Alex Williamson
2021-06-07 23:03                                                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-08  0:30                                                                       ` Alex Williamson
2021-06-08  1:20                                                                     ` Jason Wang
2021-06-30  6:53                                                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-06-30  6:49                                                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-06-07  3:25                                                         ` Tian, Kevin
2021-06-07  6:51                                                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-06-07 18:01                                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-30  6:56                                                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-06-05  6:22                                                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-06-07  3:50                                                         ` Tian, Kevin
2021-06-07 17:59                                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-08  7:56                                                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-06-08 13:15                                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-08 13:44                                                               ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-06-08 18:47                                                                 ` Alex Williamson
2021-06-08 19:00                                                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-09  8:51                                                                     ` Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
2021-06-09  9:11                                                                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-06-09 11:54                                                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-09 14:31                                                                           ` Alex Williamson
2021-06-09 14:45                                                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-09 15:20                                                                               ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-10-27  6:18                                                                                 ` Tian, Kevin
2021-10-27 10:32                                                                                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-10-28  1:50                                                                                     ` Tian, Kevin
2021-06-09  2:49                                                                   ` Tian, Kevin
2021-06-09 11:57                                                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-09 12:46                                                                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-06-09 12:47                                                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-09 13:24                                                                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-06-09 14:32                                                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-30  7:01                                                                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-06-09 18:09                                                                     ` Alex Williamson
2021-06-03  2:52                         ` Jason Wang
2021-06-03 13:09                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-04  1:11                             ` Jason Wang
2021-06-04 11:58                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-07  3:18                                 ` Jason Wang
2021-06-07 14:14                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-08  1:00                                     ` Jason Wang
2021-06-08  8:54                                       ` Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
2021-06-08 12:52                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-30  7:07                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-06-30  7:05                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-06-08  2:37       ` David Gibson
2021-06-08 13:17         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-17  3:47           ` David Gibson
2021-06-23  7:59             ` Tian, Kevin
2021-06-24  3:53               ` David Gibson
2021-05-28 23:36 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-05-31 11:31   ` Liu Yi L
2021-05-31 18:09     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-01  3:08       ` Lu Baolu
2021-06-01 17:24         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-01  1:25     ` Lu Baolu
2021-06-01 11:09   ` Lu Baolu
2021-06-01 17:26     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-02  4:01       ` Lu Baolu
2021-06-02 23:23         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-03  5:49           ` Lu Baolu
2021-06-03  5:54     ` David Gibson
2021-06-03  6:50       ` Lu Baolu
2021-06-03 12:56         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-02  7:22   ` David Gibson
2021-06-03  6:39   ` Tian, Kevin
2021-06-03 13:05     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-04  6:37       ` Tian, Kevin
2021-06-04 12:09         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-04 23:10           ` Tian, Kevin
2021-06-07 17:54             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-15  8:59       ` Tian, Kevin
2021-06-15 15:06         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-15 22:59           ` Tian, Kevin
2021-06-15 23:02             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-15 23:09               ` Tian, Kevin
2021-06-15 23:40                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-15 23:56                   ` Tian, Kevin
2021-06-15 23:59                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-16  0:02                       ` Tian, Kevin
2021-05-31 17:37 ` Parav Pandit
2021-05-31 18:12   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-01 12:04     ` Parav Pandit
2021-06-01 17:36       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-02  8:38   ` Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
2021-06-02 12:41     ` Parav Pandit
2021-06-01  4:31 ` Shenming Lu
2021-06-01  5:10   ` Lu Baolu
2021-06-01  7:15     ` Shenming Lu
2021-06-01 12:30       ` Lu Baolu
2021-06-01 13:10         ` Shenming Lu
2021-06-01 17:33         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-02  4:50           ` Shenming Lu
2021-06-03 18:19             ` Jacob Pan
2021-06-04  1:30               ` Jason Wang
2021-06-04 16:22                 ` Jacob Pan
2021-06-04 16:22                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-04 18:05                     ` Jacob Pan
2021-06-04  2:03               ` Shenming Lu
2021-06-07 12:19                 ` Liu, Yi L
2021-06-08  1:09                   ` Shenming Lu
2021-06-01 17:30 ` Parav Pandit
2021-06-03 20:58   ` Jacob Pan
2021-06-08  6:30     ` Parav Pandit
2021-06-02  6:15 ` David Gibson
2021-06-02 17:19   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-03  3:02     ` Tian, Kevin
2021-06-03  6:26     ` David Gibson
2021-06-03 12:46       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-04  6:27         ` Tian, Kevin
2021-06-03  7:17   ` Tian, Kevin
2021-06-03 12:49     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-08  5:49     ` David Gibson
2021-06-03  8:12   ` Tian, Kevin
2021-06-17  4:07     ` David Gibson
2021-06-23  8:00       ` Tian, Kevin
2021-06-24  3:55         ` David Gibson
2021-06-02  8:56 ` Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult [this message]
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2021-06-04 10:44     ` Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
2021-06-04 12:30       ` Jason Gunthorpe
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