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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: Maxim Levitsky <mlevitsk@redhat.com>,
	Anastassios Nanos <ananos@nubificus.co.uk>,
	Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>
Cc: kvm@vger.kernel.org, kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, James Morse <james.morse@arm.com>,
	Julien Thierry <julien.thierry.kdev@gmail.com>,
	Suzuki K Poulose <suzuki.poulose@arm.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Sean Christopherson <sean.j.christopherson@intel.com>,
	Vitaly Kuznetsov <vkuznets@redhat.com>,
	Wanpeng Li <wanpengli@tencent.com>,
	Jim Mattson <jmattson@google.com>, Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	x86@kernel.org, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2] Expose KVM API to Linux Kernel
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 13:51:07 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f077234c-ea74-faaf-422a-fd5d2c1c6923@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <680e86ca19dd9270b95917da1d65e4b4d2bb18a9.camel@redhat.com>

On 18/05/20 13:34, Maxim Levitsky wrote:
>> In high-performance configurations, most of the time virtio devices are
>> processed in another thread that polls on the virtio rings.  In this
>> setup, the rings are configured to not cause a vmexit at all; this has
>> much smaller latency than even a lightweight (kernel-only) vmexit,
>> basically corresponding to writing an L1 cache line back to L2.
>
> This can be used to run kernel drivers inside a very thin VM IMHO to break up the stigma,
> that kernel driver is always a bad thing to and should be by all means replaced by a userspace driver,
> something I see a lot lately, and what was the ground for rejection of my nvme-mdev proposal.

It's a tought design decision between speeding up a kernel driver with
something like eBPF or wanting to move everything to userspace.

Networking has moved more towards the first because there are many more
opportunities for NIC-based acceleration, while storage has moved
towards the latter with things such as io_uring.  That said, I don't see
why in-kernel NVMeoF drivers would be acceptable for anything but Fibre
Channel (and that's only because FC HBAs try hard to hide most of the
SAN layers).

Paolo


  reply	other threads:[~2020-05-18 11:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-05-18  6:58 [PATCH 0/2] Expose KVM API to Linux Kernel Anastassios Nanos
2020-05-18  6:58 ` [PATCH 1/2] KVMM: export needed symbols Anastassios Nanos
2020-05-18  7:41   ` Marc Zyngier
2020-05-18  7:01 ` [PATCH 2/2] KVMM: Memory and interface related changes Anastassios Nanos
2020-05-18  6:59   ` Anastassios Nanos
2020-05-18  9:13   ` kbuild test robot
2020-05-18  9:28   ` kbuild test robot
2020-05-18 10:16   ` kbuild test robot
2020-05-18  7:50 ` [PATCH 0/2] Expose KVM API to Linux Kernel Marc Zyngier
     [not found]   ` <CALRTab90UyMq2hMxCdCmC3GwPWFn2tK_uKMYQP2YBRcHwzkEUQ@mail.gmail.com>
2020-05-18 11:18     ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-05-18 11:34       ` Maxim Levitsky
2020-05-18 11:51         ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2020-05-18 12:12           ` Maxim Levitsky
2020-05-18 20:45     ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-18  8:42 ` Thomas Gleixner
     [not found]   ` <CALRTab-mEYtRG4zQbSGoAri+jg8xNL-imODv=MWE330Hkt_t+Q@mail.gmail.com>
2020-05-18  9:18     ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2020-05-18  9:38     ` Thomas Gleixner

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