RE: [RFC PATCH 00/45] KVM: Arm SMMUv3 driver for pKVM

["Chen, Jason CJ" <jason.cj.chen@intel.com>]

Hi, Jean,

Thanks for the information! Let's do more investigation.

Yes, if using enlighten method, we may skip nested translation. Meantime we
shall ensure host not touch this capability. We may also need trade-off to support
SVM kind features.

Thanks

Jason

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jean-Philippe Brucker <jean-philippe@linaro.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 3, 2023 7:24 PM
> To: Chen, Jason CJ <jason.cj.chen@intel.com>
> Cc: Tian, Kevin <kevin.tian@intel.com>; maz@kernel.org;
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> Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 00/45] KVM: Arm SMMUv3 driver for pKVM
> 
> Hi Jason,
> 
> On Fri, Feb 03, 2023 at 08:39:41AM +0000, Chen, Jason CJ wrote:
> > > > > btw some of my colleagues are porting pKVM to Intel platform. I
> > > > > believe they will post their work shortly and there might
> > > > > require some common framework in pKVM hypervisor like iommu
> > > > > domain, hypercalls, etc. like what we have in the host iommu
> > > > > subsystem. CC them in case of any early thought they want to
> > > > > throw in. 😊
> > > >
> > > > Cool! The hypervisor part contains iommu/iommu.c which deals with
> > > > hypercalls and domains and doesn't contain anything specific to
> > > > Arm (it's only in arch/arm64 because that's where pkvm currently
> > > > sits). It does rely on io-pgtable at the moment which is not used
> > > > by VT-d but that can be abstracted as well. It's possible however
> > > > that on Intel an entirely different set of hypercalls will be
> > > > needed, if a simpler solution such as sharing page tables fits
> > > > better because VT-d implementations are more homogeneous.
> > > >
> > >
> > > yes depending on the choice on VT-d there could be different degree
> > > of the sharing possibility. I'll let Jason/Tina comment on their design
> choice.
> >
> > Thanks Kevin bring us here. Current our POC solution for VT-d is based
> > on nested translation, as there are two level io-pgtable, we keep
> > first-level page table full controlled by host VM (IOVA -> host_GPA)
> > and second-level page table is managed by pKVM (host_GPA -> HPA). This
> > solution is simple straight-forward, but pKVM still need to provide
> > vIOMMU emulation for host (e.g., shadowing root/context/ pasid tables,
> emulating IOTLB flush etc.).
> 
> I dismissed emulating the SMMU early on because it feels too complex
> compared to an abstracted hypercall interface, but again that may be due to
> the high variation of configurations of the SMMU. For nesting, you could use
> some of the interface that Yi Liu and Jacob Pan have been working on [1]. It
> should be possible with a couple of attach-table and tlb-invalidate hypercalls
> to avoid emulating the low-level registers and queues.
> 
> > As I know, SMMU also support nested translation mode, may I know
> > what's the mode used for pKVM?
> 
> It doesn't use nested translation because it is optional in the SMMU, and this
> series tries to support any possible implementation. Since pKVM on
> arm64 is being used on mobile platforms I suspect that, to save space, some
> SMMUs might not implement first-level or second-level page tables.
> Besides, supporting nesting for Arm would still require hypercalls for pinning
> DMA pages (solution 2).
> 
> This series populates the second-level tables with the complete IOVA -> PA
> translation (similarly to how VFIO works at the moment). If an
> implementation only supports first-level tables, then the hypervisor would
> own it and put the IOVA -> PA translation in there.
> 
> Thanks,
> Jean
> 
> [1] https://lore.kernel.org/linux-iommu/1570045363-24856-2-git-send-email-
> jacob.jun.pan@linux.intel.com/
>     (It's being reworked but I couldn't find a recent link)
> 
> >
> > We met similar solution choices whether to share second-level
> > io-pgtable with CPU pgtable,  and finally we also decided to introduce
> > a new pgtable, this increase the complexity of page state management -
> > as io-pgtable & cpu-pgtable need to align the page ownership.
> >
> > Now our solution is based on vIOMMU emulation in pKVM, enlighten
> > method should also be an alternative solution.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Jason CJ Chen