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From: Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch>
To: Jeremy Linton <jeremy.linton@arm.com>
Cc: Calvin Johnson <calvin.johnson@oss.nxp.com>,
	Russell King - ARM Linux admin <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
	Jon <jon@solid-run.com>,
	Cristi Sovaiala <cristian.sovaiala@nxp.com>,
	Ioana Ciornei <ioana.ciornei@nxp.com>,
	Andy Shevchenko <andy.shevchenko@gmail.com>,
	Florian Fainelli <f.fainelli@gmail.com>,
	Madalin Bucur <madalin.bucur@oss.nxp.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux.cj@gmail.com,
	linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [net-next PATCH v7 1/6] Documentation: ACPI: DSD: Document MDIO PHY
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 21:14:36 +0200
Message-ID: <20200724191436.GH1594328@lunn.ch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <97973095-5458-8ac2-890c-667f4ea6cd0e@arm.com>

> Hence my previous comment that we should consider this an escape
> hatch rather than the last word in how to describe networking on
> ACPI/SBSA platforms.

One problem i have is that this patch set suggests ACPI can be used to
describe complex network hardware. It is opening the door for others
to follow and add more ACPI support in networking. How long before it
is not considered an escape hatch, but the front door?

For an example, see

https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/netdev/patch/1595417547-18957-3-git-send-email-vikas.singh@puresoftware.com/

It is hard to see what the big picture is here. The [0/2] patch is not
particularly good. But it makes it clear that people are wanting to
add fixed-link PHYs into ACPI. These are pseudo devices, used to make
the MAC think it is connected to a PHY when it is not. The MAC still
gets informed of link speed, etc via the standard PHYLIB API. They are
mostly used for when the Ethernet MAC is directly connected to an
Ethernet Switch, at a MAC to MAC level.

Now i could be wrong, but are Ethernet switches something you expect
to see on ACPI/SBSA platforms? Or is this a legitimate use of the
escape hatch?

       Andrew

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Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-07-15  9:03 [net-next PATCH v7 0/6] ACPI support for dpaa2 MAC driver Calvin Johnson
2020-07-15  9:03 ` [net-next PATCH v7 1/6] Documentation: ACPI: DSD: Document MDIO PHY Calvin Johnson
2020-07-16  3:04   ` Florian Fainelli
2020-07-16  3:11     ` Andrew Lunn
2020-07-23 23:26   ` Jeremy Linton
2020-07-24 13:39     ` Andrew Lunn
2020-07-24 17:26       ` Jeremy Linton
2020-07-24 17:39         ` Florian Fainelli
2020-07-24 19:20           ` Andrew Lunn
2020-07-24 20:12             ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-07-24 20:13               ` Florian Fainelli
2020-07-24 20:20                 ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-07-25  7:36                   ` Calvin Johnson
2020-07-25 10:48                     ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-07-24 21:06               ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-07-27 17:03             ` Sudeep Holla
2020-07-24 19:14         ` Andrew Lunn [this message]
2020-07-27 17:21           ` Sudeep Holla
2020-07-28 20:34             ` Andrew Lunn
2020-07-28 20:59               ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-07-28 21:26                 ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-07-29 16:00               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2020-07-31 15:08                 ` Andrew Lunn
2020-07-27 17:32           ` Jon Nettleton
     [not found]           ` <1595922651-sup-5323@galangal.danc.bne.opengear.com>
2020-07-28 20:45             ` Andrew Lunn
2020-07-28 20:56               ` Florian Fainelli
2020-07-28 21:28                 ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-07-28 21:40                   ` Florian Fainelli
2020-07-31 15:14                   ` Andrew Lunn
2020-09-25 13:22                     ` Grant Likely
2020-07-28 22:30             ` Jeremy Linton
2020-07-29  0:39               ` Florian Fainelli
2020-07-29  2:53                 ` Jeremy Linton
2020-07-29  3:16                   ` Florian Fainelli
2020-07-29  8:43                   ` Jon Nettleton
2020-07-29  9:39                     ` Calvin Johnson
2020-09-25 13:34   ` Grant Likely
2020-09-26  4:30     ` Calvin Johnson
2020-07-15  9:03 ` [net-next PATCH v7 2/6] net: phy: introduce device_mdiobus_register() Calvin Johnson
2020-07-16  3:05   ` Florian Fainelli
2020-07-15  9:03 ` [net-next PATCH v7 3/6] net/fsl: use device_mdiobus_register() Calvin Johnson
2020-07-16  3:05   ` Florian Fainelli
2020-07-15  9:03 ` [net-next PATCH v7 4/6] net: phy: introduce phy_find_by_mdio_handle() Calvin Johnson
2020-07-16  3:06   ` Florian Fainelli
2020-07-15  9:03 ` [net-next PATCH v7 5/6] phylink: introduce phylink_fwnode_phy_connect() Calvin Johnson
2020-07-15  9:04 ` [net-next PATCH v7 6/6] net: dpaa2-mac: Add ACPI support for DPAA2 MAC driver Calvin Johnson
2020-09-25 13:39 ` [net-next PATCH v7 0/6] ACPI support for dpaa2 " Grant Likely
2020-09-26  4:34   ` Calvin Johnson
2020-07-25 14:23 Calvin Johnson
2020-07-25 14:23 ` [net-next PATCH v7 1/6] Documentation: ACPI: DSD: Document MDIO PHY Calvin Johnson

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