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From: Hans de Goede <hdegoede@redhat.com>
To: Andrzej Pietrasiewicz <andrzej.p@collabora.com>,
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	Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>, Jonathan Cameron <jic23@kernel.org>,
	Hartmut Knaack <knaack.h@gmx.de>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCHv2 0/7] Support inhibiting input devices
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 20:19:10 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <842b95bb-8391-5806-fe65-be64b02de122@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200515164943.28480-1-andrzej.p@collabora.com>

Hi Andrezj,

On 5/15/20 6:49 PM, Andrzej Pietrasiewicz wrote:
> Userspace might want to implement a policy to temporarily disregard input
> from certain devices, including not treating them as wakeup sources.
> 
> An example use case is a laptop, whose keyboard can be folded under the
> screen to create tablet-like experience. The user then must hold the laptop
> in such a way that it is difficult to avoid pressing the keyboard keys. It
> is therefore desirable to temporarily disregard input from the keyboard,
> until it is folded back. This obviously is a policy which should be kept
> out of the kernel, but the kernel must provide suitable means to implement
> such a policy.

Actually libinput already binds together (inside libinput) SW_TABLET_MODE
generating evdev nodes and e.g. internal keyboards on devices with 360°
hinges for this reason. libinput simply closes the /dev/input/event#
node when folded and re-opens it when the keyboard should become active
again. Thus not only suppresses events but allows e.g. touchpads to
enter runtime suspend mode which saves power. Typically closing the
/dev/input/event# node will also disable the device as wakeup source.

So I wonder what this series actually adds for functionality for
userspace which can not already be achieved this way?

I also noticed that you keep the device open (do not call the
input_device's close callback) when inhibited and just throw away
any events generated. This seems inefficient and may lead to
the internal state getting out of sync. What if a key is pressed
while inhibited and then the device is uninhibited while the key
is still pressed?  Now the press event is lost and userspace
querying the current state will see the pressed key as being
released.

On top of this you add special inhibit and uninhibit callbacks
and implement those for just a few devices. How do these differ
from just closing the device and later opening it again ?

Also using a sysfs property for this is very weird given that the
rest of the evdev interface is using ioctls for everything...

So all in all I see a lot of question marks here and I think we
need to have a detailed discussion about what use-cases this
series tries to enable before moving forward with this.

Regards,

Hans


  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-05-15 18:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20200506002746.GB89269@dtor-ws>
2020-05-15 16:49 ` [PATCHv2 0/7] Support inhibiting input devices Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-05-15 16:51   ` [PATCHv2 1/7] Input: add input_device_enabled() Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-05-15 16:52   ` [PATCHv2 6/7] Input: Add "inhibited" property Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-05-15 16:53   ` [PATCHv2 3/7] ACPI: button: Use input_device_enabled() helper Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-05-18 12:40     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2020-05-15 18:19   ` Hans de Goede [this message]
2020-05-17 22:55     ` [PATCHv2 0/7] Support inhibiting input devices Peter Hutterer
2020-05-18  2:40       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2020-05-18  7:36         ` Hans de Goede
2020-05-22 15:35         ` Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-05-27  6:13           ` Peter Hutterer
2020-05-18 10:48     ` Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-05-18 12:24       ` Hans de Goede
2020-05-18 13:49         ` Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-05-18 14:23           ` Hans de Goede
2020-05-19  9:02             ` Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-05-19  9:36               ` Hans de Goede
2020-05-27  6:34                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2020-06-02 16:56                   ` Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-06-02 17:52                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2020-06-02 18:50                       ` Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-06-02 20:19                         ` Hans de Goede
2020-06-03 13:07                           ` Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-06-03 17:38                             ` Hans de Goede
2020-06-03 17:54                               ` Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-06-03 19:37                                 ` Hans de Goede
2020-06-04  7:28                                   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2020-06-05 17:33                                     ` [PATCH v3 " Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-06-05 17:33                                       ` [PATCH v3 1/7] Input: add input_device_enabled() Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-06-05 17:33                                       ` [PATCH v3 2/7] Input: use input_device_enabled() Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-06-05 17:33                                       ` [PATCH v3 3/7] ACPI: button: Access input device's users under appropriate mutex Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-06-05 17:33                                       ` [PATCH v3 4/7] ACPI: button: Use input_device_enabled() helper Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-06-05 17:33                                       ` [PATCH v3 5/7] iio: adc: exynos: Use input_device_enabled() Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-06-05 19:49                                         ` Michał Mirosław
2020-06-05 17:33                                       ` [PATCH v3 6/7] platform/x86: thinkpad_acpi: " Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-06-05 17:33                                       ` [PATCH v3 7/7] Input: Add "inhibited" property Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-06-05 17:41                                         ` Hans de Goede
2020-06-08 11:22                                           ` [PATCH v4 0/7] Support inhibiting input devices Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-06-08 11:22                                             ` [PATCH v4 1/7] Input: add input_device_enabled() Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-12-03  6:25                                               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2020-06-08 11:22                                             ` [PATCH v4 2/7] Input: use input_device_enabled() Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-12-03  6:26                                               ` Dmitry Torokhov
     [not found]                                               ` <CGME20201207133237eucas1p26f8484944760a14e51dc7353ed33cd28@eucas1p2.samsung.com>
2020-12-07 13:32                                                 ` Marek Szyprowski
2020-12-07 15:50                                                   ` Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-12-08 10:05                                                     ` Marek Szyprowski
2020-12-09  6:37                                                       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2020-12-11  7:09                                                         ` [PATCH] Input: cyapa - do not call input_device_enabled from power mode handler Dmitry Torokhov
2020-12-11  8:22                                                           ` Marek Szyprowski
2020-12-11  8:31                                                             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2020-06-08 11:22                                             ` [PATCH v4 3/7] ACPI: button: Access input device's users under appropriate mutex Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-06-24 15:00                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2020-06-25  5:23                                                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2020-06-25 10:55                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2020-10-05  5:08                                                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2020-06-08 11:22                                             ` [PATCH v4 4/7] ACPI: button: Use input_device_enabled() helper Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-06-25  5:24                                               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2020-10-05  5:06                                                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2020-06-08 11:22                                             ` [PATCH v4 5/7] iio: adc: exynos: Use input_device_enabled() Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-06-10  1:28                                               ` Michał Mirosław
2020-06-10  7:52                                                 ` [FIXED PATCH " Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-06-08 11:22                                             ` [PATCH v4 6/7] platform/x86: thinkpad_acpi: " Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-06-08 11:22                                             ` [PATCH v4 7/7] Input: Add "inhibited" property Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-10-05 18:10                                               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2020-10-06 13:04                                                 ` Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-10-07  1:11                                                   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2020-10-07  1:12                                                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2020-12-03  6:26                                                       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2020-06-10  9:49                                             ` [PATCH v4 0/7] Support inhibiting input devices Hans de Goede
2020-06-10 10:38                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2020-06-10 13:12                                                 ` Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-06-10 13:21                                                   ` Hans de Goede
2020-06-10 13:41                                                     ` Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-06-12  8:30                                                       ` Hans de Goede
2020-06-12  8:47                                                         ` Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-06-16 17:29                                                         ` [PATCH] Input: document inhibiting Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-06-16 17:38                                                           ` Randy Dunlap
2020-06-17  7:44                                                           ` Hans de Goede
2020-06-17 10:18                                                             ` [PATCH v2] " Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-06-17 10:21                                                               ` Hans de Goede
2020-06-17 16:52                                                               ` Randy Dunlap
2020-06-23 13:35                                                               ` Pavel Machek
2020-12-03  6:27                                                               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2020-06-10 14:01                                                     ` [PATCH v4 0/7] Support inhibiting input devices Rafael J. Wysocki
2020-06-10 13:52                                                 ` Hans de Goede
2020-06-10 18:28                                                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2020-06-12  8:14                                                   ` Hans de Goede
2020-06-12  8:17                                             ` Hans de Goede
2020-08-03 14:40                                               ` Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-06-07 20:24                                       ` [PATCH v3 " Pavel Machek
2020-06-08  5:37                                         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2020-06-08  9:28                                           ` Andrzej Pietrasiewicz

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