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From: Jon Nettleton <jon@solid-run.com>
To: Shameerali Kolothum Thodi <shameerali.kolothum.thodi@huawei.com>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 0/8] ACPI/IORT: Support for IORT RMR node
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2020 16:53:29 +0100
Message-ID: <CABdtJHswDUdB-mw5EJtncvFxqyE0O4zAH5QavbsrG9mWHyateQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
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On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 4:42 PM Shameerali Kolothum Thodi
<shameerali.kolothum.thodi@huawei.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jon Nettleton [mailto:jon@solid-run.com]
> > Sent: 17 December 2020 14:48
> > To: Shameerali Kolothum Thodi <shameerali.kolothum.thodi@huawei.com>
> > Cc: Steven Price <steven.price@arm.com>; Robin Murphy
> > <robin.murphy@arm.com>; linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org;
> > linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org; iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org;
> > devel@acpica.org; lorenzo.pieralisi@arm.com; joro@8bytes.org; Guohanjun
> > (Hanjun Guo) <guohanjun@huawei.com>; Linuxarm <linuxarm@huawei.com>;
> > Jonathan Cameron <jonathan.cameron@huawei.com>;
> > Sami.Mujawar@arm.com; wanghuiqiang <wanghuiqiang@huawei.com>
> > Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 0/8] ACPI/IORT: Support for IORT RMR node
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 3:48 PM Shameerali Kolothum Thodi
> > <shameerali.kolothum.thodi@huawei.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Steven Price [mailto:steven.price@arm.com]
> > > > Sent: 14 December 2020 13:43
> > > > To: Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>; Shameerali Kolothum Thodi
> > > > <shameerali.kolothum.thodi@huawei.com>;
> > > > linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org; linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org;
> > > > iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org; devel@acpica.org
> > > > Cc: Linuxarm <linuxarm@huawei.com>; lorenzo.pieralisi@arm.com;
> > > > joro@8bytes.org; wanghuiqiang <wanghuiqiang@huawei.com>; Guohanjun
> > > > (Hanjun Guo) <guohanjun@huawei.com>; Jonathan Cameron
> > > > <jonathan.cameron@huawei.com>; Sami.Mujawar@arm.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 0/8] ACPI/IORT: Support for IORT RMR node
> > > >
> > > > On 14/12/2020 12:33, Robin Murphy wrote:
> > > > > On 2020-12-14 10:55, Shameerali Kolothum Thodi wrote:
> > > > >> Hi Steve,
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > > > >>> From: Steven Price [mailto:steven.price@arm.com]
> > > > >>> Sent: 10 December 2020 10:26
> > > > >>> To: Shameerali Kolothum Thodi
> > > > <shameerali.kolothum.thodi@huawei.com>;
> > > > >>> linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org; linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org;
> > > > >>> iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org; devel@acpica.org
> > > > >>> Cc: Linuxarm <linuxarm@huawei.com>; lorenzo.pieralisi@arm.com;
> > > > >>> joro@8bytes.org; robin.murphy@arm.com; wanghuiqiang
> > > > >>> <wanghuiqiang@huawei.com>; Guohanjun (Hanjun Guo)
> > > > >>> <guohanjun@huawei.com>; Jonathan Cameron
> > > > >>> <jonathan.cameron@huawei.com>; Sami.Mujawar@arm.com
> > > > >>> Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 0/8] ACPI/IORT: Support for IORT RMR node
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> On 19/11/2020 12:11, Shameer Kolothum wrote:
> > > > >>>> RFC v1 --> v2:
> > > > >>>>    - Added a generic interface for IOMMU drivers to retrieve all the
> > > > >>>>      RMR info associated with a given IOMMU.
> > > > >>>>    - SMMUv3 driver gets the RMR list during probe() and installs
> > > > >>>>      bypass STEs for all the SIDs in the RMR list. This is to keep
> > > > >>>>      the ongoing traffic alive(if any) during SMMUv3 reset. This is
> > > > >>>>      based on the suggestions received for v1 to take care of the
> > > > >>>>      EFI framebuffer use case. Only sanity tested for now.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Hi Shameer,
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Sorry for not looking at this before.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Do you have any plans to implement support in the SMMUv2 driver?
> > The
> > > > >>> platform I've been testing the EFI framebuffer support on has the
> > > > >>> display controller behind SMMUv2, so as it stands this series doesn't
> > > > >>> work. I did hack something up for SMMUv2 so I was able to test the
> > first
> > > > >>> 4 patches.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Thanks for taking a look. Sure, I can look into adding the support for
> > > > >> SMMUv2.
> > > >
> > > > Great, thanks!
> > > >
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>    - During the probe/attach device, SMMUv3 driver reserves any
> > > > >>>>      RMR region associated with the device such that there is a
> > unity
> > > > >>>>      mapping for them in SMMU.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> For the EFI framebuffer use case there is no device to attach so I
> > > > >>> believe we are left with just the stream ID in bypass mode - which is
> > > > >>> definitely an improvement (the display works!)
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Cool. That’s good to know.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>   but not actually a unity
> > > > >>> mapping of the RMR range. I'm not sure whether it's worth fixing this
> > or
> > > > >>> not, but I just wanted to point out there's still a need for a driver
> > > > >>> for the device before the bypass mode is replaced with the unity
> > > > >>> mapping.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I am not sure either. My idea was we will have bypass STE setup for
> > > > >> all devices
> > > > >> with RMR initially and when the corresponding driver takes over(if
> > > > >> that happens)
> > > > >> we will have the unity mapping setup properly for the RMR regions. And
> > > > >> for cases
> > > > >> like the above, it will remain in the bypass mode.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Do you see any problem(security?) if the dev streams remain in bypass
> > > > >> mode for
> > > > >> this dev? Or is it possible to have a stub driver for this dev, so
> > > > >> that we will have
> > > > >> the probe/attach invoked and everything will fall in place?
> > > > >
> > > > > The downside is that if a driver never binds to that device, it remains
> > > > > bypassed. If some other externally-controlled malicious device could
> > > > > manage to spoof that device's requester ID, that could potentially be
> > > > > exploited.
> > > > >
> > > > >> TBH, I haven't looked into creating a temp domain for these types of
> > > > >> the devices
> > > > >> and also not sure how we benefit from that compared to the STE bypass
> > > > >> mode.
> > > > >
> > > > > That said, setting up temporary translation contexts that ensure any
> > > > > access can *only* be to RMR regions until a driver takes over is an
> > > > > awful lot more work. I'm inclined to be pragmatic here and say we should
> > > > > get things working at all with the simple bypass STE/S2CR method, then
> > > > > look at adding the higher-security effort on top.
> > > > >
> > > > > Right now systems that need this are either broken (but effectively
> > > > > secure) or using default bypass with SMMUv2. People who prefer to
> > > > > maintain security over functionality in the interim can maintain that
> > > > > status quo by simply continuing to not describe any RMRs.
> > > >
> > > > I agree with Robin, let's get this working with the bypass mode (until
> > > > the device binds) like you've currently got. It's much better than what
> > > > we have otherwise. Then once that is merged we can look at the temporary
> > > > translation context or stub driver. The temporary translation context
> > > > would be 'neatest', but I'm only aware of the EFI framebuffer use case
> > > > and for that it might be possible to do something simpler - if indeed
> > > > anything is needed at all. I'm not sure how much we need to be worried
> > > > about malicious devices spoofing requester IDs.
> > >
> > > Perfect. I will keep the STE bypass and respin the series once the update
> > > to the IORT rev E is made public(hope that will happen soon). In the
> > > meantime, appreciate any feedback on the rest of the patches in this series.
> >
> > Shameer,
>
> Hi Jon,
>
> >
> > I am pretty sure rev E is already public.  You can find it here.
> >
> > https://developer.arm.com/documentation/den0049/latest/
> >
> > It is also marked non-confidential.
>
> Yes, Rev E is already out there. But I am told that ARM folks are working on
> some updates to the IORT spec, especially around the RMR topic. Hopefully
> it will be out soon.

Yes there are some changes coming to the SPEC but I don't know if it is
worth holding up your patchset as an initial implementation.  If you would
like I am more than happy to bring this up as a topic for the next Steering
Committee meeting.

Jon

>
> >
> > I also have initial patches for edk2 and the HoneyComb LX2160a
> > ACPI tables adding RMR nodes that partially work with your patches.
>
> Thanks for the update and good to know that it is useful.
>
> Shameer
>
> > This is with basic SMMUv2 support but since you have more experience
> > this this I am more than happy to work with you on your patchset.
> >
> > -Jon
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Shameer
> > > _______________________________________________
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Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-11-19 12:11 Shameer Kolothum
2020-11-19 12:11 ` [RFC PATCH v2 1/8] ACPICA: IORT: Update for revision E Shameer Kolothum
2021-03-22 10:36   ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi
2021-03-22 21:57     ` Kaneda, Erik
2021-03-23 15:53       ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2021-03-23 18:51         ` Kaneda, Erik
2021-03-24  9:50           ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2021-03-25  8:40     ` Jon Nettleton
2021-03-25 15:54       ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi
2021-04-15  7:27   ` Auger Eric
2020-11-19 12:11 ` [RFC PATCH v2 2/8] ACPI/IORT: Add support for RMR node parsing Shameer Kolothum
2021-04-15  9:39   ` Auger Eric
2021-04-15 10:30     ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi
2020-11-19 12:11 ` [RFC PATCH v2 3/8] iommu/dma: Introduce generic helper to retrieve RMR info Shameer Kolothum
2020-11-19 12:11 ` [RFC PATCH v2 4/8] ACPI/IORT: Add RMR memory regions reservation helper Shameer Kolothum
2020-11-19 12:11 ` [RFC PATCH v2 5/8] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Introduce strtab init helper Shameer Kolothum
2020-11-19 12:11 ` [RFC PATCH v2 6/8] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Add bypass flag to arm_smmu_write_strtab_ent() Shameer Kolothum
2020-11-19 12:11 ` [RFC PATCH v2 7/8] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Get associated RMR info and install bypass STE Shameer Kolothum
2020-11-19 12:11 ` [RFC PATCH v2 8/8] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Reserve any RMR regions associated with a dev Shameer Kolothum
2020-12-10 10:25 ` [RFC PATCH v2 0/8] ACPI/IORT: Support for IORT RMR node Steven Price
2020-12-14 10:55   ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi
2020-12-14 12:33     ` Robin Murphy
2020-12-14 13:42       ` Steven Price
2020-12-14 14:47         ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi
2020-12-17 14:47           ` Jon Nettleton
2020-12-17 15:42             ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi
2020-12-17 15:53               ` Jon Nettleton [this message]
2020-12-18 10:53                 ` Jon Nettleton
2021-01-04  8:55                   ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi
2021-01-04 10:55                     ` Jon Nettleton
2021-04-09  9:50 ` Auger Eric
2021-04-09 10:08   ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi
2021-04-15  9:48 ` Auger Eric
2021-04-15 10:37   ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi

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