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From: Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Cc: Alexei Starovoitov <ast@fb.com>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
	Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@gmail.com>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Luis R. Rodriguez" <mcgrof@kernel.org>,
	Network Development <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	kernel-team@fb.com, Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next] modules: allow modprobe load regular elf binaries
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 17:25:32 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180309012530.rk2m5kmpab7eb5fe@ast-mbp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrVUOToH5WnZMdpk+Vt=NK5OuE=ha62sj7cN5Hw5=qrgRw@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Mar 09, 2018 at 01:04:39AM +0000, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 12:57 AM, Alexei Starovoitov <ast@fb.com> wrote:
> > On 3/8/18 4:24 PM, Kees Cook wrote:
> >>
> >> As Andy asked earlier, why not DYN too to catch PIE executables? Seems
> >> like forcing the userspace helper to be non-PIE would defeat some of
> >> the userspace defenses in use in most distros.
> >
> >
> > because we don't add features without concrete users.
> 
> I disagree here.  If you're going to add a magic trick that triggers
> an execve(), then I think you should either support *both* standard,
> widely-used types of ELF programs or you should give a compelling use
> case that works for ET_EXEC but not for ET_DYN.  Keep in mind that
> many distros have a very strong preference for ET_DYN.

misunderstanding here is that this bpfiler.ko is part of _kernel build_.
Kernel decides how it's build.
Nothing to do with distros.
Current Makefile is very dumb and it's built with HOSTCC:
https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/ast/bpf.git/tree/net/bpfilter/Makefile?h=ipt_bpf
but it will be standalone with CC before final to make sure crosscompiling works.

  reply	other threads:[~2018-03-09  1:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-03-06  1:34 [PATCH net-next] modules: allow modprobe load regular elf binaries Alexei Starovoitov
2018-03-06  2:13 ` Randy Dunlap
2018-03-06  3:02   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-03-06 11:05 ` Greg KH
2018-03-07  1:07   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-03-07  3:24     ` Greg KH
2018-03-06 19:12 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-03-06 23:42   ` Chris Mason
2018-05-02  9:12     ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2018-03-06 20:01 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-03-06 20:26   ` Linus Torvalds
2018-03-07 17:22 ` David Miller
2018-03-08  1:23 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2018-03-08 23:07   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-03-09  1:58     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2018-03-09  0:24 ` Kees Cook
2018-03-09  0:57   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-03-09  1:04     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-03-09  1:25       ` Alexei Starovoitov [this message]
2018-03-09  1:24     ` Kees Cook
2018-03-09  0:59   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-03-09  1:20     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-03-09  2:12       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-03-09  2:31         ` David Miller
2018-03-09  3:10           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-03-09  3:27         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-03-09  1:38     ` Linus Torvalds
2018-03-09  1:44       ` Kees Cook
2018-03-09  3:06         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-03-09  3:17           ` Linus Torvalds
2018-03-09  3:54           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-03-09  5:08             ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-03-09 15:16               ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-03-09 15:39                 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-03-09 16:24                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-03-09 17:32                     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-03-09 18:15                       ` Greg KH
2018-03-09 18:23                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-03-09 18:29                           ` Greg KH
2018-03-09 18:50                           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-03-09 18:55                             ` David Miller
2018-03-09 19:37                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-03-10  1:43                                 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-03-11  2:17                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-03-09 18:17               ` Linus Torvalds
2018-03-09 18:35                 ` David Miller
2018-03-09 18:43                   ` Kees Cook
2018-03-09 18:50                     ` Linus Torvalds
2018-03-09 18:54                       ` Kees Cook
2018-03-09 18:58                       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-03-12 12:02                         ` Edward Cree
2018-03-12 17:49                           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-03-09 18:48                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-03-09 18:53                   ` Linus Torvalds
2018-03-09 18:57                     ` David Miller
2018-03-09 19:12                       ` Linus Torvalds
2018-03-09 19:38                         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-03-09 19:45                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-03-10  2:34                           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-03-10 14:08                             ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2018-03-10 15:16                               ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2018-03-10 15:34                                 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2018-03-12 17:22                                   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-03-13  8:48                                     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-03-22 20:54                                 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2018-03-22 22:15                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-03-22 22:21                                     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-03-23  2:47                                     ` Luis R. Rodriguez

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