From: Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
linux-api@vger.kernel.org, oleksandr@redhat.com,
Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
Tim Murray <timmurray@google.com>,
Daniel Colascione <dancol@google.com>,
Sandeep Patil <sspatil@google.com>,
Sonny Rao <sonnyrao@google.com>,
Brian Geffon <bgeffon@google.com>, Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@google.com>,
John Dias <joaodias@google.com>,
Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>,
sj38.park@gmail.com, alexander.h.duyck@linux.intel.com,
Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 0/7] introduce memory hinting API for external process
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 14:32:41 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200219223241.GA148976@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200219120123.07dda51c29006a892059ccde@linux-foundation.org>
Hi Andrew,
On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 12:01:23PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 17:44:26 -0800 Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org> wrote:
>
> > Now, we have MADV_PAGEOUT and MADV_COLD as madvise hinting API. With that,
> > application could give hints to kernel what memory range are preferred to be
> > reclaimed. However, in some platform(e.g., Android), the information
> > required to make the hinting decision is not known to the app.
> > Instead, it is known to a centralized userspace daemon(e.g., ActivityManagerService),
> > and that daemon must be able to initiate reclaim on its own without any app
> > involvement.
> >
>
> This patchset doesn't seem to be getting a lot of interest from other
> potential users? It seems very specialized. Are there or will there
> ever be any users of this apart from one Android daemon?
Quote from http://lkml.kernel.org/r/20190531064313.193437-1-minchan@kernel.org
"
Brian Geffon in ChromeOS team had an experiment with process_madvise(2)
Quote form him:
"What I found is that by using process_madvise after a tab has been back
grounded for more than 45 seconds reduced the average tab switch times by
25%! This is a huge result and very obvious validation that process_madvise
hints works well for the ChromeOS use case."
"
>
> Also, it doesn't terribly hard for ActivityManagerService to tell
> another process "now run madvise with these arguments". Please explain
> why this is not practical in ActivityManagerService and also within
> other potential users of this syscall.
I think that's the almost a same question why ptrace doesn't work so
I summarizes the part in [2/7]:
* makes target task runnable creates memory layout change window so
hiniting a wrong vma
* target task(e.g., background task) could live in little core with
cpuset/group limited environment so we couldn't react quick enough,
which causes more killing.
Thanks.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-02-19 22:32 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-02-19 1:44 [PATCH v6 0/7] introduce memory hinting API for external process Minchan Kim
2020-02-19 1:44 ` [PATCH v6 1/7] mm: pass task and mm to do_madvise Minchan Kim
2020-02-28 22:15 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2020-02-19 1:44 ` [PATCH v6 2/7] mm: introduce external memory hinting API Minchan Kim
2020-02-19 1:44 ` [PATCH v6 3/7] mm: check fatal signal pending of target process Minchan Kim
2020-02-28 22:20 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2020-02-19 1:44 ` [PATCH v6 4/7] pid: move pidfd_get_pid function to pid.c Minchan Kim
2020-02-28 22:22 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2020-02-19 1:44 ` [PATCH v6 5/7] mm: support both pid and pidfd for process_madvise Minchan Kim
2020-02-28 22:41 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2020-03-02 19:23 ` Minchan Kim
2020-03-02 19:38 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2020-02-19 1:44 ` [PATCH v6 6/7] mm/madvise: employ mmget_still_valid for write lock Minchan Kim
2020-02-28 23:19 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2020-03-02 7:33 ` Oleksandr Natalenko
2020-03-02 16:32 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2020-02-19 1:44 ` [PATCH v6 7/7] mm/madvise: allow KSM hints for remote API Minchan Kim
2020-02-19 20:01 ` [PATCH v6 0/7] introduce memory hinting API for external process Andrew Morton
2020-02-19 21:05 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2020-02-19 22:32 ` Minchan Kim [this message]
2020-02-19 22:51 ` Brian Geffon
2020-02-20 9:16 ` SeongJae Park
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