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From: John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>
Cc: Cyril Hrubis <chrubis@suse.cz>, Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	Khalid Aziz <khalid.aziz@oracle.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>,
	Abdul Haleem <abdhalee@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Joel Stanley <joel@jms.id.au>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2] mm: introduce MAP_FIXED_SAFE
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 23:33:58 -0800
Message-ID: <5f4fc834-274a-b8f1-bda0-5bcddc5902ed@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171206070355.GA32044@bombadil.infradead.org>

On 12/05/2017 11:03 PM, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 05, 2017 at 08:54:35PM -0800, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
>> On Wed, Dec 06, 2017 at 03:51:44PM +1100, Michael Ellerman wrote:
>>> Cyril Hrubis <chrubis@suse.cz> writes:
>>>
>>>> Hi!
>>>>>> MAP_FIXED_UNIQUE
>>>>>> MAP_FIXED_ONCE
>>>>>> MAP_FIXED_FRESH
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, I can open a poll for the best name, but none of those you are
>>>>> proposing sound much better to me. Yeah, naming sucks...
>>>>
>>>> Given that MAP_FIXED replaces the previous mapping MAP_FIXED_NOREPLACE
>>>> would probably be a best fit.
>>>
>>> Yeah that could work.
>>>
>>> I prefer "no clobber" as I just suggested, because the existing
>>> MAP_FIXED doesn't politely "replace" a mapping, it destroys the current
>>> one - which you or another thread may be using - and clobbers it with
>>> the new one.
>>
>> It's longer than MAP_FIXED_WEAK :-P
>>
>> You'd have to be pretty darn strong to clobber an existing mapping.
> 
> I think we're thinking about this all wrong.  We shouldn't document it as
> "This is a variant of MAP_FIXED".  We should document it as "Here's an
> alternative to MAP_FIXED".
> 
> So, just like we currently say "exactly one of MAP_SHARED or MAP_PRIVATE",
> we could add a new paragraph saying "at most one of MAP_FIXED or
> MAP_REQUIRED" and "any of the following values".
> 
> Now, we should implement MAP_REQUIRED as having each architecture
> define _MAP_NOT_A_HINT, and then #define MAP_REQUIRED (MAP_FIXED |
> _MAP_NOT_A_HINT), but that's not information to confuse users with.
> 
> Also, that lets us add a third option at some point that is Yet Another
> Way to interpret the 'addr' argument, by having MAP_FIXED clear and
> _MAP_NOT_A_HINT set.
> 
> I'm not set on MAP_REQUIRED.  I came up with some awful names
> (MAP_TODDLER, MAP_TANTRUM, MAP_ULTIMATUM, MAP_BOSS, MAP_PROGRAM_MANAGER,
> etc).  But I think we should drop FIXED from the middle of the name.
> 

In that case, maybe:

    MAP_EXACT

? ...because that's the characteristic behavior. It doesn't clobber, but
you don't need to say that in the name, now that we're not including
_FIXED_ in the middle.

thanks,
John Hubbard
NVIDIA    

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Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-11-29 14:42 Michal Hocko
2017-11-29 14:42 ` [PATCH 1/2] " Michal Hocko
2017-12-06  5:15   ` Michael Ellerman
2017-12-06  9:27     ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-06 10:02       ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-07 12:07   ` Pavel Machek
2017-11-29 14:42 ` [PATCH 2/2] fs, elf: drop MAP_FIXED usage from elf_map Michal Hocko
2017-11-29 17:45   ` Khalid Aziz
2017-11-29 14:45 ` [PATCH] mmap.2: document new MAP_FIXED_SAFE flag Michal Hocko
2017-11-30  3:16   ` John Hubbard
2017-11-30  8:23     ` Michal Hocko
2017-11-30  8:24   ` [PATCH v2] " Michal Hocko
2017-11-30 18:31     ` John Hubbard
2017-11-30 18:39       ` Michal Hocko
2017-11-29 15:13 ` [PATCH 0/2] mm: introduce MAP_FIXED_SAFE Rasmus Villemoes
     [not found]   ` <b154b794-7a8b-995e-0954-9234b9446b31-rjjw5hvvQKZaa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-29 15:50     ` Michal Hocko
2017-11-29 22:15   ` Kees Cook
2017-11-29 22:12 ` Kees Cook
2017-11-29 22:25 ` Kees Cook
     [not found]   ` <CAGXu5jLa=b2HhjWXXTQunaZuz11qUhm5aNXHpS26jVqb=G-gfw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-30  6:58     ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-01 15:26       ` Cyril Hrubis
2017-12-06  4:51         ` Michael Ellerman
2017-12-06  4:54           ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  7:03             ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-06  7:33               ` John Hubbard [this message]
     [not found]                 ` <5f4fc834-274a-b8f1-bda0-5bcddc5902ed-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-12-06  7:35                   ` Florian Weimer
2017-12-06  8:06                     ` John Hubbard
     [not found]                       ` <27ee1755-76d8-f086-5760-9c973b31108a-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-12-06  8:54                         ` Florian Weimer
     [not found]               ` <20171206070355.GA32044-PfSpb0PWhxZc2C7mugBRk2EX/6BAtgUQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-12-07  5:46                 ` Michael Ellerman
2017-12-07 19:14                   ` Kees Cook
     [not found]                     ` <CAGXu5jLWRQn6EaXEEvdvXr+4gbiJawwp1EaLMfYisHVfMiqgSA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-12-07 19:57                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-08  8:33                         ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]                           ` <20171208083315.GR20234-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2017-12-08 20:13                             ` Kees Cook
     [not found]                               ` <CAGXu5j+VupGmKEEHx-uNXw27Xvndu=0ObsBqMwQiaYPyMGD+vw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-12-08 20:57                                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-08 11:08                         ` Michael Ellerman
2017-12-08 14:27                           ` Pavel Machek
2017-12-08 20:31                             ` Cyril Hrubis
2017-12-08 20:47                             ` Florian Weimer
2017-12-08 14:33                           ` David Laight
2017-12-06  4:50       ` Michael Ellerman
     [not found]         ` <87zi6we9z2.fsf-W0DJWXSxmBNbyGPkN3NxC2scP1bn1w/D@public.gmane.org>
2017-12-06  7:33           ` Rasmus Villemoes
     [not found]             ` <a3b3129a-2626-a65e-59b0-68aada523723-rjjw5hvvQKZaa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org>
2017-12-06  9:08               ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-07  0:19                 ` Kees Cook
2017-12-07  1:08                   ` John Hubbard

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