From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.9 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIMWL_WL_HIGH, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 381EAC48BE6 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2021 22:43:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14B8361407 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2021 22:43:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S231147AbhFJWpH (ORCPT ); Thu, 10 Jun 2021 18:45:07 -0400 Received: from us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com ([216.205.24.124]:46189 "EHLO us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S230469AbhFJWpG (ORCPT ); Thu, 10 Jun 2021 18:45:06 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=redhat.com; s=mimecast20190719; t=1623364989; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=V5yzb21nbg0WXga74jQ6xsvVDaavF5Xwuj6ArQYTfOY=; b=M1YK6yb9pe86NT7q23TTdZXC8HIbtgqxKNSyyqoazVmHG5Mu/Lr8N+givFtOfgxrhiFqHQ 6SzzFq5UnvMGyX1e+TRf8vYJAkoyFeX+PmUjoZEUn7pKbEJVz4nr+cWH4PJ5XI2FCaIQzi kHxksnZewNzAcbwUOMCbV47xU7MYCXk= Received: from mail-ed1-f72.google.com (mail-ed1-f72.google.com [209.85.208.72]) (Using TLS) by relay.mimecast.com with ESMTP id us-mta-331-IQvrzERVPY2tStLBlc_n9A-1; Thu, 10 Jun 2021 18:43:08 -0400 X-MC-Unique: IQvrzERVPY2tStLBlc_n9A-1 Received: by mail-ed1-f72.google.com with SMTP id f12-20020a056402150cb029038fdcfb6ea2so14960245edw.14 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2021 15:43:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:mime-version; bh=V5yzb21nbg0WXga74jQ6xsvVDaavF5Xwuj6ArQYTfOY=; b=eL8c9uEfHtZX+HojhF/CvhdYSPXvGopzpu5hcSKqgvfxSPIeExKo6O+EraePg1dI4Y uko0pC9p6LRdZaB0V73lIYmhYNEW39z58YxY6sUBjgHGj/45w2w6Q+bXXJUvElspPS/X m5rXc2guAexXh9RjnczGsIKSzlb13/l3qSnhuXtf957xXv/XIiPRS9HQFYUPJ5EIjmuQ GHM/xTWJEg+fuDhdrmRLbgWZHKdsvPC6oR3ku8pgwENeb38Q/CD6Y6rpbKBv07UJ9sRS uWubDPOM5CDx0+NJ/Eb8YDjBL8WHsbGrfhAUMD+USqZqQokvAgufmxzaWggYQXdBdrTJ ZT+A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531L9QxQXEkAWBdvTsC0dWM2RBcnhe/R9f4sW0vOFj/lPAEDfAWy NOio51BODphNN6+ABChNev4RMgGAXf6QoQOtuLisjYlkoDAvAHKlyK4f76IcJMkxI75EOCxcR18 XTSCuxYf+3p90k6sox7Tl X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:e44:: with SMTP id q4mr686720eji.120.1623364987091; Thu, 10 Jun 2021 15:43:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJx3Of813xtsFNMUywKOhdyaCRUGvejxpofMzlcEGjq5vOPDHQSpbSONXjsKSs4Nlp7UDRGRdQ== X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:e44:: with SMTP id q4mr686706eji.120.1623364986880; Thu, 10 Jun 2021 15:43:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alrua-x1.borgediget.toke.dk ([45.145.92.2]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id ci12sm1489704ejc.17.2021.06.10.15.43.06 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 10 Jun 2021 15:43:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by alrua-x1.borgediget.toke.dk (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 627F718071E; Fri, 11 Jun 2021 00:43:05 +0200 (CEST) From: Toke =?utf-8?Q?H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen?= To: Shuah Khan , Steven Rostedt , Laurent Pinchart Cc: Konstantin Ryabitsev , "Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult" , David Hildenbrand , James Bottomley , Greg KH , Christoph Lameter , Theodore Ts'o , Jiri Kosina , ksummit@lists.linux.dev, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-block@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-api@vger.kernel.org, Shuah Khan Subject: Re: Maintainers / Kernel Summit 2021 planning kick-off In-Reply-To: <37e8d1a5-7c32-8e77-bb05-f851c87a1004@linuxfoundation.org> References: <5038827c-463f-232d-4dec-da56c71089bd@metux.net> <20210610182318.jrxe3avfhkqq7xqn@nitro.local> <20210610152633.7e4a7304@oasis.local.home> <37e8d1a5-7c32-8e77-bb05-f851c87a1004@linuxfoundation.org> X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2021 00:43:05 +0200 Message-ID: <87tum5uyrq.fsf@toke.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-api@vger.kernel.org Shuah Khan writes: > On 6/10/21 1:26 PM, Steven Rostedt wrote: >> On Thu, 10 Jun 2021 21:39:49 +0300 >> Laurent Pinchart wrote: >> >>> There will always be more informal discussions between on-site >>> participants. After all, this is one of the benefits of conferences, by >>> being all together we can easily organize ad-hoc discussions. This is >>> traditionally done by finding a not too noisy corner in the conference >>> center, would it be useful to have more break-out rooms with A/V >>> equipment than usual ? >> >> I've been giving this quite some thought too, and I've come to the >> understanding (and sure I can be wrong, but I don't think that I am), >> is that when doing a hybrid event, the remote people will always be >> "second class citizens" with respect to the communication that is going >> on. Saying that we can make it the same is not going to happen unless >> you start restricting what people can do that are present, and that >> will just destroy the conference IMO. >> >> That said, I think we should add more to make the communication better >> for those that are not present. Maybe an idea is to have break outs >> followed by the presentation and evening events that include remote >> attendees to discuss with those that are there about what they might >> have missed. Have incentives at these break outs (free stacks and >> beer?) to encourage the live attendees to attend and have a discussion >> with the remote attendees. >> >> The presentations would have remote access, where remote attendees can >> at the very least write in some chat their questions or comments. If >> video and connectivity is good enough, perhaps have a screen where they >> can show up and talk, but that may have logistical limitations. >> > > You are absolutely right that the remote people will have a hard time > participating and keeping up with in-person participants. I have a > couple of ideas on how we might be able to improve remote experience > without restricting in-person experience. > > - Have one or two moderators per session to watch chat and Q&A to enable > remote participants to chime in and participate. > - Moderators can make sure remote participation doesn't go unnoticed and > enable taking turns for remote vs. people participating in person. > > It will be change in the way we interact in all in-person sessions for > sure, however it might enhance the experience for remote attendees. This is basically how IETF meetings function: At the beginning of every session, a volunteer "jabber scribe" is selected to watch the chat and relay any questions to a microphone in the room. And the video streaming platform has a "virtual queue" that remove participants can enter and the session chairs are then responsible for giving people a chance to speak. Works reasonably well, I'd say :) -Toke