Linux-api Archive on lore.kernel.org
 help / color / Atom feed
From: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: Marco Elver <elver@google.com>,
	Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Peter Collingbourne <pcc@google.com>,
	Dmitry Vyukov <dvyukov@google.com>,
	Alexander Potapenko <glider@google.com>,
	sparclinux <sparclinux@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	kasan-dev <kasan-dev@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: siginfo_t ABI break on sparc64 from si_addr_lsb move 3y ago
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 22:43:09 +0200
Message-ID: <CAK8P3a3mb6X4+4Q1WBQp22O2Bvc3w-Q=L25jh+WPvp2kJFwHiQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m15z031z0a.fsf@fess.ebiederm.org>

On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 7:08 PM Eric W. Biederman <ebiederm@xmission.com> wrote:
>
> The code is only safe if the analysis that says we can move si_trapno
> and perhaps the ia64 fields into the union is correct.  It looks like
> ia64 much more actively uses it's signal extension fields including for
> SIGTRAP, so I am not at all certain the generic definition of
> perf_sigtrap is safe on ia64.
>
> > I suppose in theory sparc64 or alpha might start using the other
> > fields in the future, and an application might be compiled against
> > mismatched headers, but that is unlikely and is already broken
> > with the current headers.
>
> If we localize the use of si_trapno to just a few special cases on alpha
> and sparc I think we don't even need to worry about breaking userspace
> on any architecture.  It will complicate siginfo_layout, but it is a
> complication that reflects reality.

Ok.

> I don't have a clue how any of this affects ia64.  Does perf work on
> ia64?  Does perf work on sparc, and alpha?
>
> If perf works on ia64 we need to take a hard look at what is going on
> there as well.

ia64 never had perf support. It had oprofile until very recently, and it
had a custom thing before that. My feeling is that it's increasingly
unlikely to ever gain perf support in the future, given that oprofile
(in user space) has required kernel perf support (in kernel) for a
long time and nobody cared about that being broken either.

sparc64 has perf support for Sun UltraSPARC 3/3+/3i/4+/T1/T2/T3
and Oracle SPARC T4/T5/M7 but lacks support for most CPUs from
Oracle, Fujitsu and the rest, in particular anything from the last
ten years.
Alpha has perf support for EV67, EV68, EV7, EV79, and EV69, i.e.
anything from 1996 to the end in 2004.

      Arnd

      parent reply index

Thread overview: 118+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-04-29  7:48 Marco Elver
2021-04-29 17:23 ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-04-29 18:46   ` Marco Elver
2021-04-29 20:48   ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-04-30 17:08     ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-04-30 19:07       ` Marco Elver
2021-04-30 20:15         ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-04-30 23:50           ` Marco Elver
2021-04-30 22:49         ` [RFC][PATCH 0/3] signal: Move si_trapno into the _si_fault union Eric W. Biederman
2021-04-30 22:50           ` [PATCH 1/3] siginfo: Move si_trapno inside the union inside _si_fault Eric W. Biederman
2021-05-01 10:31             ` Marco Elver
2021-05-02 18:27               ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-04-30 22:54           ` [PATCH 2/3] signal: Implement SIL_FAULT_TRAPNO Eric W. Biederman
2021-04-30 23:19             ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-05-01 10:33             ` Marco Elver
2021-05-02 18:24               ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-04-30 22:55           ` [PATCH 3/3] signal: Use dedicated helpers to send signals with si_trapno set Eric W. Biederman
2021-05-01 10:33             ` Marco Elver
2021-04-30 22:56           ` [PATCH 4/3] signal: Remove __ARCH_SI_TRAPNO Eric W. Biederman
2021-04-30 23:23           ` Is perf_sigtrap synchronous? Eric W. Biederman
2021-05-01  0:28             ` Marco Elver
2021-04-30 23:42           ` [PATCH 5/3] signal: Rename SIL_PERF_EVENT SIL_FAULT_PERF_EVENT for consistency Eric W. Biederman
2021-05-01 10:35             ` Marco Elver
2021-04-30 23:43           ` [PATCH 6/3] signal: Factor force_sig_perf out of perf_sigtrap Eric W. Biederman
2021-05-01 10:45             ` Marco Elver
2021-04-30 23:43           ` [PATCH 7/3] signal: Deliver all of the perf_data in si_perf Eric W. Biederman
2021-05-01 10:47             ` Marco Elver
2021-05-02 18:39               ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-05-02 19:13                 ` Marco Elver
2021-05-03 12:44                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-05-03 19:38                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-05-03 19:53                     ` Marco Elver
2021-04-30 23:47           ` [RFC][PATCH 0/3] signal: Move si_trapno into the _si_fault union Eric W. Biederman
2021-05-01  0:37             ` Marco Elver
2021-05-01 15:16               ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-05-01 16:24                 ` Marco Elver
2021-05-03 20:25                   ` [PATCH 00/12] signal: sort out si_trapno and si_perf Eric W. Biederman
2021-05-03 20:38                     ` [PATCH 01/12] sparc64: Add compile-time asserts for siginfo_t offsets Eric W. Beiderman
2021-05-03 20:38                       ` [PATCH 02/12] arm: " Eric W. Beiderman
2021-05-03 20:38                       ` [PATCH 03/12] arm64: " Eric W. Beiderman
2021-05-03 20:38                       ` [PATCH 04/12] siginfo: Move si_trapno inside the union inside _si_fault Eric W. Beiderman
2021-05-03 20:38                       ` [PATCH 05/12] signal: Implement SIL_FAULT_TRAPNO Eric W. Beiderman
2021-05-03 20:38                       ` [PATCH 06/12] signal: Use dedicated helpers to send signals with si_trapno set Eric W. Beiderman
2021-05-03 20:38                       ` [PATCH 07/12] signal: Remove __ARCH_SI_TRAPNO Eric W. Beiderman
2021-05-03 20:38                       ` [PATCH 08/12] signal: Rename SIL_PERF_EVENT SIL_FAULT_PERF_EVENT for consistency Eric W. Beiderman
2021-05-03 20:38                       ` [PATCH 09/12] signal: Factor force_sig_perf out of perf_sigtrap Eric W. Beiderman
2021-05-03 20:38                       ` [PATCH 10/12] signal: Redefine signinfo so 64bit fields are possible Eric W. Beiderman
2021-05-03 21:04                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-05-03 22:47                           ` Marco Elver
2021-05-04  3:42                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-05-04  4:03                               ` Peter Collingbourne
2021-05-04  9:52                                 ` Marco Elver
2021-05-04 16:16                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-05-03 20:38                       ` [PATCH 11/12] signal: Deliver all of the siginfo perf data in _perf Eric W. Beiderman
2021-05-03 20:38                       ` [PATCH 12/12] signalfd: Remove SIL_FAULT_PERF_EVENT fields from signalfd_siginfo Eric W. Beiderman
2021-05-04 21:13                     ` [PATCH v3 00/12] signal: sort out si_trapno and si_perf Eric W. Biederman
2021-05-04 22:05                       ` Marco Elver
2021-05-05 14:12                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-05-05 14:10                       ` [PATCH v3 01/12] sparc64: Add compile-time asserts for siginfo_t offsets Eric W. Beiderman
2021-05-05 14:10                         ` [PATCH v3 02/12] arm: " Eric W. Beiderman
2021-05-05 14:10                         ` [PATCH v3 03/12] arm64: " Eric W. Beiderman
2021-05-05 14:10                         ` [PATCH v3 04/12] signal: Verify the alignment and size of siginfo_t Eric W. Beiderman
2021-05-05 17:24                           ` Marco Elver
2021-05-05 14:10                         ` [PATCH v3 05/12] siginfo: Move si_trapno inside the union inside _si_fault Eric W. Beiderman
2021-05-05 14:10                         ` [PATCH v3 06/12] signal: Implement SIL_FAULT_TRAPNO Eric W. Beiderman
2021-05-05 17:25                           ` Marco Elver
2021-05-05 14:10                         ` [PATCH v3 07/12] signal: Use dedicated helpers to send signals with si_trapno set Eric W. Beiderman
2021-05-05 17:25                           ` Marco Elver
2021-05-05 14:10                         ` [PATCH v3 08/12] signal: Remove __ARCH_SI_TRAPNO Eric W. Beiderman
2021-05-05 17:25                           ` Marco Elver
2021-05-05 14:10                         ` [PATCH v3 09/12] signal: Rename SIL_PERF_EVENT SIL_FAULT_PERF_EVENT for consistency Eric W. Beiderman
2021-05-05 17:26                           ` Marco Elver
2021-05-05 14:10                         ` [PATCH v3 10/12] signal: Factor force_sig_perf out of perf_sigtrap Eric W. Beiderman
2021-05-05 17:26                           ` Marco Elver
2021-05-06 10:54                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-05-05 14:11                         ` [PATCH v3 11/12] signal: Deliver all of the siginfo perf data in _perf Eric W. Beiderman
2021-05-05 17:27                           ` Marco Elver
2021-05-05 14:11                         ` [PATCH v3 12/12] signalfd: Remove SIL_FAULT_PERF_EVENT fields from signalfd_siginfo Eric W. Beiderman
2021-05-05 17:27                           ` Marco Elver
2021-05-05 17:28                       ` [PATCH v3 00/12] signal: sort out si_trapno and si_perf Marco Elver
2021-05-06  7:00                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2021-05-06 10:43                         ` Marco Elver
2021-05-06 15:28                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-05-06 15:14                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-05-14  4:54                       ` [GIT PULL] siginfo: ABI fixes for v5.13-rc2 Eric W. Biederman
2021-05-14 19:14                         ` Linus Torvalds
2021-05-14 21:15                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-05-14 22:38                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-05-16  7:40                         ` Ingo Molnar
2021-05-17 15:29                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-05-21 14:59                         ` [GIT PULL] siginfo: ABI fixes for v5.13-rc3 Eric W. Biederman
2021-05-21 16:34                           ` pr-tracker-bot
2021-05-17 19:56                       ` [PATCH v4 0/5] siginfo: ABI fixes for TRAP_PERF Eric W. Biederman
2021-05-17 19:57                         ` [PATCH v4 1/5] siginfo: Move si_trapno inside the union inside _si_fault Eric W. Beiderman
2021-05-17 19:57                           ` [PATCH v4 2/5] signal: Implement SIL_FAULT_TRAPNO Eric W. Beiderman
2021-05-17 19:57                           ` [PATCH v4 3/5] signal: Factor force_sig_perf out of perf_sigtrap Eric W. Beiderman
2021-05-17 19:57                           ` [PATCH v4 4/5] signal: Deliver all of the siginfo perf data in _perf Eric W. Beiderman
2021-05-17 19:57                           ` [PATCH v4 5/5] signalfd: Remove SIL_PERF_EVENT fields from signalfd_siginfo Eric W. Beiderman
2021-05-17 20:53                         ` [PATCH v4 0/5] siginfo: ABI fixes for TRAP_PERF Marco Elver
2021-05-18  3:46                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-05-18  6:44                             ` Marco Elver
2021-05-01 16:26               ` [RFC][PATCH 0/3] signal: Move si_trapno into the _si_fault union Marco Elver
2021-07-15 18:09           ` [PATCH 0/6] Final si_trapno bits Eric W. Biederman
2021-07-15 18:11             ` [PATCH 1/6] sparc64: Add compile-time asserts for siginfo_t offsets Eric W. Biederman
2021-07-15 18:11             ` [PATCH 2/6] arm: " Eric W. Biederman
2021-07-15 18:11             ` [PATCH 3/6] arm64: " Eric W. Biederman
2021-07-15 18:12             ` [PATCH 4/6] signal/sparc: si_trapno is only used with SIGILL ILL_ILLTRP Eric W. Biederman
2021-07-16 11:49               ` Marco Elver
2021-07-15 18:12             ` [PATCH 5/6] signal/alpha: si_trapno is only used with SIGFPE and SIGTRAP TRAP_UNK Eric W. Biederman
2021-07-16 11:48               ` Marco Elver
2021-07-15 18:13             ` [PATCH 6/6] signal: Remove the generic __ARCH_SI_TRAPNO support Eric W. Biederman
2021-07-16 11:48               ` Marco Elver
2021-07-16 11:50             ` [PATCH 0/6] Final si_trapno bits Marco Elver
2021-07-16 16:08               ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-07-16 17:15                 ` Marco Elver
2021-07-16 16:06             ` [PATCH 7/7] signal: Verify the alignment and size of siginfo_t Eric W. Biederman
2021-07-16 16:07             ` [PATCH 8/6] signal: Rename SIL_PERF_EVENT SIL_FAULT_PERF_EVENT for consistency Eric W. Biederman
2021-04-30 20:43       ` Arnd Bergmann [this message]

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to='CAK8P3a3mb6X4+4Q1WBQp22O2Bvc3w-Q=L25jh+WPvp2kJFwHiQ@mail.gmail.com' \
    --to=arnd@arndb.de \
    --cc=davem@davemloft.net \
    --cc=dvyukov@google.com \
    --cc=ebiederm@xmission.com \
    --cc=elver@google.com \
    --cc=fweimer@redhat.com \
    --cc=glider@google.com \
    --cc=kasan-dev@googlegroups.com \
    --cc=linux-api@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=linux-arch@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=mingo@kernel.org \
    --cc=pcc@google.com \
    --cc=peterz@infradead.org \
    --cc=sparclinux@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=tglx@linutronix.de \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link

Linux-api Archive on lore.kernel.org

Archives are clonable:
	git clone --mirror https://lore.kernel.org/linux-api/0 linux-api/git/0.git

	# If you have public-inbox 1.1+ installed, you may
	# initialize and index your mirror using the following commands:
	public-inbox-init -V2 linux-api linux-api/ https://lore.kernel.org/linux-api \
		linux-api@vger.kernel.org
	public-inbox-index linux-api

Example config snippet for mirrors

Newsgroup available over NNTP:
	nntp://nntp.lore.kernel.org/org.kernel.vger.linux-api


AGPL code for this site: git clone https://public-inbox.org/public-inbox.git