From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
To: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 0/8] KVM: mm: fd-based approach for supporting KVM guest private memory
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2022 13:59:41 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALCETrUdGoZ2yUnNGbxJ-Xr3KD7QhTi-ddhS8AUMjFyJM5pDfA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Yqjcx6u0KJcJuZfI@google.com>
On Tue, Jun 14, 2022 at 12:09 PM Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2022, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 14, 2022 at 12:32 AM Chao Peng <chao.p.peng@linux.intel.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jun 09, 2022 at 08:29:06PM +0000, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Jun 08, 2022, Vishal Annapurve wrote:
> > > >
> > > > One argument is that userspace can simply rely on cgroups to detect misbehaving
> > > > guests, but (a) those types of OOMs will be a nightmare to debug and (b) an OOM
> > > > kill from the host is typically considered a _host_ issue and will be treated as
> > > > a missed SLO.
> > > >
> > > > An idea for handling this in the kernel without too much complexity would be to
> > > > add F_SEAL_FAULT_ALLOCATIONS (terrible name) that would prevent page faults from
> > > > allocating pages, i.e. holes can only be filled by an explicit fallocate(). Minor
> > > > faults, e.g. due to NUMA balancing stupidity, and major faults due to swap would
> > > > still work, but writes to previously unreserved/unallocated memory would get a
> > > > SIGSEGV on something it has mapped. That would allow the userspace VMM to prevent
> > > > unintentional allocations without having to coordinate unmapping/remapping across
> > > > multiple processes.
> > >
> > > Since this is mainly for shared memory and the motivation is catching
> > > misbehaved access, can we use mprotect(PROT_NONE) for this? We can mark
> > > those range backed by private fd as PROT_NONE during the conversion so
> > > subsequence misbehaved accesses will be blocked instead of causing double
> > > allocation silently.
>
> PROT_NONE, a.k.a. mprotect(), has the same vma downsides as munmap().
>
> > This patch series is fairly close to implementing a rather more
> > efficient solution. I'm not familiar enough with hypervisor userspace
> > to really know if this would work, but:
> >
> > What if shared guest memory could also be file-backed, either in the
> > same fd or with a second fd covering the shared portion of a memslot?
> > This would allow changes to the backing store (punching holes, etc) to
> > be some without mmap_lock or host-userspace TLB flushes? Depending on
> > what the guest is doing with its shared memory, userspace might need
> > the memory mapped or it might not.
>
> That's what I'm angling for with the F_SEAL_FAULT_ALLOCATIONS idea. The issue,
> unless I'm misreading code, is that punching a hole in the shared memory backing
> store doesn't prevent reallocating that hole on fault, i.e. a helper process that
> keeps a valid mapping of guest shared memory can silently fill the hole.
>
> What we're hoping to achieve is a way to prevent allocating memory without a very
> explicit action from userspace, e.g. fallocate().
Ah, I misunderstood. I thought your goal was to mmap it and prevent
page faults from allocating.
It is indeed the case (and has been since before quite a few of us
were born) that a hole in a sparse file is logically just a bunch of
zeros. A way to make a file for which a hole is an actual hole seems
like it would solve this problem nicely. It could also be solved more
specifically for KVM by making sure that the private/shared mode that
userspace programs is strict enough to prevent accidental allocations
-- if a GPA is definitively private, shared, neither, or (potentially,
on TDX only) both, then a page that *isn't* shared will never be
accidentally allocated by KVM. If the shared backing is not mmapped,
it also won't be accidentally allocated by host userspace on a stray
or careless write.
--Andy
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-06-14 21:00 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-05-19 15:37 [PATCH v6 0/8] KVM: mm: fd-based approach for supporting KVM guest private memory Chao Peng
2022-05-19 15:37 ` [PATCH v6 1/8] mm: Introduce memfile_notifier Chao Peng
2022-05-19 15:37 ` [PATCH v6 2/8] mm/shmem: Support memfile_notifier Chao Peng
2022-05-19 15:37 ` [PATCH v6 3/8] mm/memfd: Introduce MFD_INACCESSIBLE flag Chao Peng
2022-05-31 19:15 ` Vishal Annapurve
2022-06-01 10:17 ` Chao Peng
2022-06-01 12:11 ` Gupta, Pankaj
2022-06-02 10:07 ` Chao Peng
2022-06-14 20:23 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-06-15 8:53 ` Chao Peng
2022-05-19 15:37 ` [PATCH v6 4/8] KVM: Extend the memslot to support fd-based private memory Chao Peng
2022-05-20 17:57 ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-05-20 18:31 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-05-22 4:03 ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-05-23 13:21 ` Chao Peng
2022-05-23 15:22 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-05-30 13:26 ` Chao Peng
2022-06-10 16:14 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-06-14 6:45 ` Chao Peng
2022-06-23 22:59 ` Michael Roth
2022-06-24 8:54 ` Chao Peng
2022-06-24 13:01 ` Michael Roth
2022-06-17 20:52 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-06-17 21:27 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-06-20 14:09 ` Chao Peng
2022-06-20 14:08 ` Chao Peng
2022-05-19 15:37 ` [PATCH v6 5/8] KVM: Add KVM_EXIT_MEMORY_FAULT exit Chao Peng
2022-05-19 15:37 ` [PATCH v6 6/8] KVM: Handle page fault for private memory Chao Peng
2022-06-17 21:30 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-06-20 14:16 ` Chao Peng
2022-08-19 0:40 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-08-25 23:43 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-06-24 3:58 ` Nikunj A. Dadhania
2022-06-24 9:02 ` Chao Peng
2022-06-30 19:14 ` Vishal Annapurve
2022-06-30 22:21 ` Michael Roth
2022-07-01 1:21 ` Xiaoyao Li
2022-07-07 20:08 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-07-08 3:29 ` Xiaoyao Li
2022-07-20 23:08 ` Vishal Annapurve
2022-07-21 9:45 ` Chao Peng
2022-05-19 15:37 ` [PATCH v6 7/8] KVM: Enable and expose KVM_MEM_PRIVATE Chao Peng
2022-06-23 22:07 ` Michael Roth
2022-06-24 8:43 ` Chao Peng
2022-05-19 15:37 ` [PATCH v6 8/8] memfd_create.2: Describe MFD_INACCESSIBLE flag Chao Peng
2022-06-06 20:09 ` [PATCH v6 0/8] KVM: mm: fd-based approach for supporting KVM guest private memory Vishal Annapurve
2022-06-07 6:57 ` Chao Peng
2022-06-08 0:55 ` Marc Orr
2022-06-08 2:18 ` Chao Peng
2022-06-08 19:37 ` Vishal Annapurve
2022-06-09 20:29 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-06-14 7:28 ` Chao Peng
2022-06-14 17:37 ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-06-14 19:08 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-06-14 20:59 ` Andy Lutomirski [this message]
2022-06-15 9:17 ` Chao Peng
2022-06-15 14:29 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-06-10 0:11 ` Marc Orr
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