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From: Amir Goldstein <amir73il@gmail.com>
To: "Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>
Cc: Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>, Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Andreas Dilger <adilger.kernel@dilger.ca>,
	Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	Trond Myklebust <trondmy@hammerspace.com>,
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	Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.ibm.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 4/7] xfs: don't bump the i_version on an atime update in xfs_vn_update_time
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2022 20:30:07 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAOQ4uxj=+7n5vcxNt8CTkPCzv7u8AQYHdzF2mKS29Bj3S3NxnA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Ywo8cWRcJUpLFMxJ@magnolia>

> > > >
> > > > Forensics and other applications that care about atime updates can and
> > > > should check atime and don't need i_version to know that it was changed.
> > > > The reliability of atime as an audit tool has dropped considerably since
> > > > the default in relatime.
>
> I've been waiting for Amir to appear in this discussion -- ISTR that a
> few years ago you were wanting the ability to scan a filesystem to look
> for files that have changed since a given point.  If XFS exported its
> di_changecount file attribute (as it currently behaves) via BULKSTAT,
> you'd have the ability to do that, so long as your application could
> persist bulkstat data and compare.
>

It's true that exporting i_version via BULKSTAT could be useful
to some backup/sync applications.

For my case, I was interested in something a bit different -
finding all the changes in a very large fs tree - or IOW finding if
anything has changed inside a large tree since a point in time.
So not sure if i_version would help for that use case.

Thanks,
Amir.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-08-28 17:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-08-26 21:46 [PATCH v3 0/7] vfs: clean up i_version behavior and expose it via statx Jeff Layton
2022-08-26 21:46 ` [PATCH v3 1/7] iversion: update comments with info about atime updates Jeff Layton
2022-08-29  7:56   ` Dave Chinner
2022-08-29 10:39     ` Jeff Layton
2022-08-29 22:58       ` NeilBrown
2022-08-30 11:40         ` Jeff Layton
2022-08-30 13:24           ` J. Bruce Fields
2022-08-30 13:50             ` Jeff Layton
2022-08-30 14:44               ` J. Bruce Fields
2022-08-30 14:58                 ` Trond Myklebust
2022-08-30 15:17                   ` J. Bruce Fields
2022-08-30 15:43                     ` Trond Myklebust
2022-08-30 17:02                       ` Jeff Layton
2022-08-30 17:47                         ` Trond Myklebust
2022-08-30 17:53                           ` Jeff Layton
2022-08-30 18:25                             ` Trond Myklebust
2022-08-30 19:11                               ` Jeff Layton
2022-08-30 18:32                         ` J. Bruce Fields
2022-08-30 19:30                           ` Jeff Layton
2022-08-30 19:46                             ` J. Bruce Fields
2022-08-30 19:57                               ` Jeff Layton
2022-08-30 20:08                                 ` J. Bruce Fields
2022-08-30  1:04       ` Dave Chinner
2022-08-30 12:38         ` Jeff Layton
2022-08-26 21:46 ` [PATCH v3 2/7] ext4: fix i_version handling in ext4 Jeff Layton
2022-08-26 21:46 ` [PATCH v3 3/7] ext4: unconditionally enable the i_version counter Jeff Layton
2022-08-29 14:51   ` Jan Kara
2022-08-26 21:47 ` [PATCH v3 4/7] xfs: don't bump the i_version on an atime update in xfs_vn_update_time Jeff Layton
2022-08-27  7:26   ` Amir Goldstein
2022-08-27  8:01     ` Amir Goldstein
2022-08-27 13:14       ` Jeff Layton
2022-08-27 15:46         ` Darrick J. Wong
2022-08-27 16:03           ` Trond Myklebust
2022-08-27 16:10             ` Jeff Layton
2022-08-27 17:06               ` Trond Myklebust
2022-08-28 13:25               ` Amir Goldstein
2022-08-28 14:37                 ` Jeff Layton
2022-08-28 16:53                   ` Amir Goldstein
2022-08-29  5:48                   ` Dave Chinner
2022-08-29 10:33                     ` Jeff Layton
2022-08-30  0:08                       ` Dave Chinner
2022-08-30 11:20                         ` Jeff Layton
2022-08-28 17:30           ` Amir Goldstein [this message]
2022-08-26 21:47 ` [PATCH v3 5/7] vfs: report an inode version in statx for IS_I_VERSION inodes Jeff Layton
2022-08-26 21:47 ` [PATCH v3 6/7] nfs: report the inode version in statx if requested Jeff Layton
2022-08-26 21:47 ` [PATCH v3 7/7] ceph: fill in the change attribute in statx requests Jeff Layton

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