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From: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton
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	Andy Lutomirski <luto-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-fsdevel
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	"Kirill A. Shutemov"
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 3/5] mm: introduce mmap3 for safely defining new mmap flags
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 10:36:02 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAPcyv4iN0QpUSgOUvisnNQsiV1Pp=4dh7CwAV8FFj=_rFU=aug@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170824165546.GA3121-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>

On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Christoph Hellwig <hch-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 04:48:51PM -0700, Dan Williams wrote:
>> The mmap(2) syscall suffers from the ABI anti-pattern of not validating
>> unknown flags. However, proposals like MAP_SYNC and MAP_DIRECT need a
>> mechanism to define new behavior that is known to fail on older kernels
>> without the support. Define a new mmap3 syscall that checks for
>> unsupported flags at syscall entry and add a 'mmap_supported_mask' to
>> 'struct file_operations' so generic code can validate the ->mmap()
>> handler knows about the specified flags. This also arranges for the
>> flags to be passed to the handler so it can do further local validation
>> if the requested behavior can be fulfilled.
>
> What is the reason to not go with __MAP_VALID hack?  Adding new
> syscalls is extremely painful, it will take forever to trickle this
> through all architectures (especially with the various 32-bit
> architectures having all kinds of different granularities for the
> offset) and then the various C libraries, never mind applications.

I'll let Andy and Kirill restate their concerns, but one of the
arguments that swayed me is that any new mmap flag with this hack must
be documented to only work with MAP_SHARED and that MAP_PRIVATE is
silently ignored. I agree with the mess and delays it causes for other
archs and libc, but at the same time this is for new applications and
libraries that know to look for the new flag, so they need to do the
extra work to check for the new syscall.

However, if the fcntl lease approach works for the DMA cases then we
only have the one mmap flag to add for now, so maybe the weird
MAP_{SHARED|PRIVATE} semantics are tolerable.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-08-24 17:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-08-23 23:48 [PATCH v6 0/5] MAP_DIRECT and block-map-atomic files Dan Williams
     [not found] ` <150353211413.5039.5228914877418362329.stgit-p8uTFz9XbKj2zm6wflaqv1nYeNYlB/vhral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-23 23:48   ` [PATCH v6 1/5] vfs: add flags parameter to ->mmap() in 'struct file_operations' Dan Williams
     [not found]     ` <150353211985.5039.4333061601382775843.stgit-p8uTFz9XbKj2zm6wflaqv1nYeNYlB/vhral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-24 16:58       ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-08-24 17:42         ` Dan Williams
2017-08-23 23:48   ` [PATCH v6 2/5] fs, xfs: introduce S_IOMAP_SEALED Dan Williams
     [not found]     ` <150353212577.5039.14069456126848863439.stgit-p8uTFz9XbKj2zm6wflaqv1nYeNYlB/vhral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-24 16:13       ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-08-25  6:00         ` Dan Williams
2017-08-25 19:44           ` Dan Williams
2017-08-23 23:48   ` [PATCH v6 4/5] fs, xfs: introduce MAP_DIRECT for creating block-map-atomic file ranges Dan Williams
     [not found]     ` <150353213655.5039.7662200155640827407.stgit-p8uTFz9XbKj2zm6wflaqv1nYeNYlB/vhral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-24 16:11       ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]         ` <20170824161152.GB27591-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-24 16:31           ` Dan Williams
2017-08-24 16:39             ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]               ` <20170824163925.GA28503-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-24 20:26                 ` Dan Williams
2017-08-23 23:49   ` [PATCH v6 5/5] fs, fcntl: add F_MAP_DIRECT Dan Williams
2017-08-23 23:48 ` [PATCH v6 3/5] mm: introduce mmap3 for safely defining new mmap flags Dan Williams
     [not found]   ` <150353213097.5039.6729469069608762658.stgit-p8uTFz9XbKj2zm6wflaqv1nYeNYlB/vhral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-24 13:04     ` Jan Kara
2017-08-24 16:55     ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]       ` <20170824165546.GA3121-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-24 17:36         ` Dan Williams [this message]
     [not found]           ` <CAPcyv4iN0QpUSgOUvisnNQsiV1Pp=4dh7CwAV8FFj=_rFU=aug-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-25 13:00             ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-08-25 15:58               ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2017-08-25 16:02                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-08-25 16:16                   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
     [not found]                     ` <20170825161607.6v6beg4zjktllt2z-sVvlyX1904swdBt8bTSxpkEMvNT87kid@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-25 16:19                       ` Helge Deller
2017-08-25 16:56                         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2017-08-25 20:24                         ` Dan Williams
     [not found]                           ` <CAPcyv4jeZc8P+E0aHNChzy-wfNpOx3GehKck1nXqJ1b9JdydFA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-26  7:40                             ` Helge Deller
2017-08-26 15:15                               ` Dan Williams
     [not found]                                 ` <CAPcyv4ic0zxQzWEipZ=1LpDC8VnmphGzVSYmrFcjOAgX7esfUw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-26 19:50                                   ` Helge Deller
2017-08-26 22:46                                     ` Dan Williams
2017-08-26 23:56                                       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2017-08-24 16:08 ` [PATCH v6 0/5] MAP_DIRECT and block-map-atomic files Christoph Hellwig
2017-08-24 16:25   ` Dan Williams

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