From: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko@kernel.org>
To: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
Cc: Chao Peng <chao.p.peng@linux.intel.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 2/8] KVM: Extend the memslot to support fd-based private memory
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2022 20:35:47 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y0G085xCmFBxSodG@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Y0GiEW0cYCNx5jyK@kernel.org>
On Sat, Oct 08, 2022 at 07:15:17PM +0300, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 08, 2022 at 12:54:32AM +0300, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 07, 2022 at 02:58:54PM +0000, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > > On Fri, Oct 07, 2022, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Oct 06, 2022 at 03:34:58PM +0000, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > > > > On Thu, Oct 06, 2022, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> > > > > > On Thu, Oct 06, 2022 at 05:58:03PM +0300, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 10:29:07PM +0800, Chao Peng wrote:
> > > > > > > > This new extension, indicated by the new flag KVM_MEM_PRIVATE, adds two
> > > > > > > > additional KVM memslot fields private_fd/private_offset to allow
> > > > > > > > userspace to specify that guest private memory provided from the
> > > > > > > > private_fd and guest_phys_addr mapped at the private_offset of the
> > > > > > > > private_fd, spanning a range of memory_size.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The extended memslot can still have the userspace_addr(hva). When use, a
> > > > > > > > single memslot can maintain both private memory through private
> > > > > > > > fd(private_fd/private_offset) and shared memory through
> > > > > > > > hva(userspace_addr). Whether the private or shared part is visible to
> > > > > > > > guest is maintained by other KVM code.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What is anyway the appeal of private_offset field, instead of having just
> > > > > > > 1:1 association between regions and files, i.e. one memfd per region?
> > > > >
> > > > > Modifying memslots is slow, both in KVM and in QEMU (not sure about Google's VMM).
> > > > > E.g. if a vCPU converts a single page, it will be forced to wait until all other
> > > > > vCPUs drop SRCU, which can have severe latency spikes, e.g. if KVM is faulting in
> > > > > memory. KVM's memslot updates also hold a mutex for the entire duration of the
> > > > > update, i.e. conversions on different vCPUs would be fully serialized, exacerbating
> > > > > the SRCU problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > KVM also has historical baggage where it "needs" to zap _all_ SPTEs when any
> > > > > memslot is deleted.
> > > > >
> > > > > Taking both a private_fd and a shared userspace address allows userspace to convert
> > > > > between private and shared without having to manipulate memslots.
> > > >
> > > > Right, this was really good explanation, thank you.
> > > >
> > > > Still wondering could this possibly work (or not):
> > > >
> > > > 1. Union userspace_addr and private_fd.
> > >
> > > No, because userspace needs to be able to provide both userspace_addr (shared
> > > memory) and private_fd (private memory) for a single memslot.
> >
> > Got it, thanks for clearing my misunderstandings on this topic, and it
> > is quite obviously visible in 5/8 and 7/8. I.e. if I got it right,
> > memblock can be partially private, and you dig the shared holes with
> > KVM_MEMORY_ENCRYPT_UNREG_REGION. We have (in Enarx) ATM have memblock
> > per host mmap, I was looking into this dilated by that mindset but makes
> > definitely sense to support that.
>
> For me the most useful reference with this feature is kvm_set_phys_mem()
> implementation in privmem-v8 branch. Took while to find it because I did
> not have much experience with QEMU code base. I'd even recommend to mention
> that function in the cover letter because it is really good reference on
> how this feature is supposed to be used.
While learning QEMU code, I also noticed bunch of comparison like this:
if (slot->flags | KVM_MEM_PRIVATE)
I guess those could be just replaced with unconditional fills as it does
not do any harm, if KVM_MEM_PRIVATE is not set.
BR, Jarkko
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-10-08 17:36 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-09-15 14:29 [PATCH v8 0/8] KVM: mm: fd-based approach for supporting KVM Chao Peng
2022-09-15 14:29 ` [PATCH v8 1/8] mm/memfd: Introduce userspace inaccessible memfd Chao Peng
2022-09-19 9:12 ` David Hildenbrand
2022-09-19 19:10 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-09-21 21:10 ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-09-22 13:23 ` Wang, Wei W
2022-09-23 15:20 ` Fuad Tabba
2022-09-23 15:19 ` Fuad Tabba
2022-09-26 14:23 ` Chao Peng
2022-09-26 15:51 ` Fuad Tabba
2022-09-27 22:47 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-09-30 16:19 ` Fuad Tabba
2022-10-13 13:34 ` Chao Peng
2022-10-17 10:31 ` Fuad Tabba
2022-10-17 14:58 ` Chao Peng
2022-10-17 19:05 ` Fuad Tabba
2022-10-19 13:30 ` Chao Peng
2022-10-18 0:33 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-10-19 15:04 ` Fuad Tabba
2022-09-23 0:58 ` Kirill A . Shutemov
2022-09-26 10:35 ` David Hildenbrand
2022-09-26 14:48 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-09-26 14:53 ` David Hildenbrand
2022-09-27 23:23 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-09-28 13:36 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-09-22 13:26 ` Wang, Wei W
2022-09-22 19:49 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-09-23 0:53 ` Kirill A . Shutemov
2022-09-23 15:20 ` Fuad Tabba
2022-09-30 16:14 ` Fuad Tabba
2022-09-30 16:23 ` Kirill A . Shutemov
2022-10-03 7:33 ` Fuad Tabba
2022-10-03 11:01 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-10-04 15:39 ` Fuad Tabba
2022-10-06 8:50 ` Fuad Tabba
2022-10-06 13:04 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-10-17 13:00 ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-10-17 16:19 ` Kirill A . Shutemov
2022-10-17 16:39 ` Gupta, Pankaj
2022-10-17 21:56 ` Kirill A . Shutemov
2022-10-18 13:42 ` Vishal Annapurve
2022-10-19 15:32 ` Kirill A . Shutemov
2022-10-20 10:50 ` Vishal Annapurve
2022-10-21 13:54 ` Chao Peng
2022-10-21 16:53 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-10-19 12:23 ` Vishal Annapurve
2022-10-21 13:47 ` Chao Peng
2022-10-21 16:18 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-10-24 14:59 ` Kirill A . Shutemov
2022-10-24 15:26 ` David Hildenbrand
2022-11-03 16:27 ` Vishal Annapurve
2022-09-15 14:29 ` [PATCH v8 2/8] KVM: Extend the memslot to support fd-based private memory Chao Peng
2022-09-16 9:14 ` Bagas Sanjaya
2022-09-16 9:53 ` Chao Peng
2022-09-26 10:26 ` Fuad Tabba
2022-09-26 14:04 ` Chao Peng
2022-09-29 22:45 ` Isaku Yamahata
2022-09-29 23:22 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-10-05 13:04 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-10-05 22:05 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-10-06 9:00 ` Fuad Tabba
2022-10-06 14:58 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-10-06 15:07 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-10-06 15:34 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-10-07 11:14 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-10-07 14:58 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-10-07 21:54 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-10-08 16:15 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-10-08 17:35 ` Jarkko Sakkinen [this message]
2022-10-10 8:25 ` Chao Peng
2022-10-12 8:14 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-09-15 14:29 ` [PATCH v8 3/8] KVM: Add KVM_EXIT_MEMORY_FAULT exit Chao Peng
2022-09-16 9:17 ` Bagas Sanjaya
2022-09-16 9:54 ` Chao Peng
2022-09-15 14:29 ` [PATCH v8 4/8] KVM: Use gfn instead of hva for mmu_notifier_retry Chao Peng
2022-09-15 14:29 ` [PATCH v8 5/8] KVM: Register/unregister the guest private memory regions Chao Peng
2022-09-26 10:36 ` Fuad Tabba
2022-09-26 14:07 ` Chao Peng
2022-10-11 9:48 ` Fuad Tabba
2022-10-12 2:35 ` Chao Peng
2022-10-17 10:15 ` Fuad Tabba
2022-10-17 22:17 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-10-19 13:23 ` Chao Peng
2022-10-19 15:02 ` Fuad Tabba
2022-10-19 16:09 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-10-19 18:32 ` Fuad Tabba
2022-09-15 14:29 ` [PATCH v8 6/8] KVM: Update lpage info when private/shared memory are mixed Chao Peng
2022-09-29 16:52 ` Isaku Yamahata
2022-09-30 8:59 ` Chao Peng
2022-09-15 14:29 ` [PATCH v8 7/8] KVM: Handle page fault for private memory Chao Peng
2022-10-14 18:57 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-10-17 14:48 ` Chao Peng
2022-09-15 14:29 ` [PATCH v8 8/8] KVM: Enable and expose KVM_MEM_PRIVATE Chao Peng
2022-10-04 14:55 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-10-10 8:31 ` Chao Peng
2022-10-06 8:55 ` Fuad Tabba
2022-10-10 8:33 ` Chao Peng
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