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From: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <sebastian@breakpoint.cc>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Cc: linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-kbuild@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Russell King <rmk+kernel@armlinux.org.uk>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	kernel-build-reports@lists.linaro.org,
	kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu,
	Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] minimum gcc version for kernel: raise to gcc-4.3 or 4.6?
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 12:29:50 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161217112949.pghxlhdlxjzdumuo@mikejones.breakpoint.cc> (raw)
Message-ID: <20161217112950.EsGfEd7s_pl8SdNRC7iY13uJKWqdpHKh1G6M0YmuVGY@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2778134.jZdhGefl4B@wuerfel>

On 2016-12-16 23:00:27 [+0100], Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> On Friday, December 16, 2016 6:00:43 PM CET Sebastian Andrzej Siewior wrote:
> > On 2016-12-16 11:56:21 [+0100], Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> > > The original gcc-4.3 release was in early 2008. If we decide to still
> > > support that, we probably want the first 10 quirks in this series,
> > > while gcc-4.6 (released in 2011) requires none of them.
> > 
> > It this min gcc thingy ARM only?
> 
> This is part of the question that I'm trying to figure out myself.
> 
> Clearly having the same minimum version across all architectures simplifies
> things a lot, because many of the bugs in old versions are architecture
> independent. 

agreed.

> Then again, some architectures implicitly require a new version
> because an old one never existed (e.g. arm64 or risc-v), while some other
> architectures may require an old version.

A new version is understandable. But why is an old version required?
One thing is an enterprise distro that is "current" or "supported" and still
stuck with gcc 4.1 because that is the version they decided to include in
their release. This is sad. But you might want to ask yourself why you want
the latest kernel but an old gcc / binutils.

If you have an architecture that compiles with gcc v4.1 and not with gcc
latest stable / trunk then it is a sign that this port is not supported
properly / not heatly. One thing is something like avr32 which is not part of
upstream gcc due to some legal reason (that was my understanding a few years
ago). It might get to a problem for them once large parts of userland switch
to a later C++ standard which is gcc-5+.

> 	Arnd

Sebastian

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-12-17 11:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-12-16 10:56 [RFC] minimum gcc version for kernel: raise to gcc-4.3 or 4.6? Arnd Bergmann
2016-12-16 10:56 ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-12-16 10:56 ` [PATCH 01/13] [HACK] gcc-4.5: avoid link errors for unused function pointers Arnd Bergmann
2016-12-16 10:56   ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-12-16 10:56 ` [PATCH 02/13] KVM: arm: fix gcc-4.5 build Arnd Bergmann
2016-12-16 10:56   ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-01-04 10:38   ` Christoffer Dall
2017-01-04 10:38     ` Christoffer Dall
2016-12-16 10:56 ` [PATCH 03/13] ARM: div64: fix building with gcc-4.5 and lower Arnd Bergmann
2016-12-16 10:56   ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-12-16 10:56 ` [PATCH 04/13] vfio-pci: use 32-bit comparisons for register address for gcc-4.5 Arnd Bergmann
2016-12-16 10:56   ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-12-16 15:30   ` Alex Williamson
2016-12-16 19:50     ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-12-16 10:56 ` [PATCH 05/13] clk: pxa: fix gcc-4.4 build Arnd Bergmann
2016-12-16 10:56   ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-12-16 10:56 ` [PATCH 06/13] ARM: atomic: " Arnd Bergmann
2016-12-16 10:56   ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-12-16 10:56 ` [PATCH 07/13] watchdog: kempld: fix gcc-4.3 build Arnd Bergmann
2016-12-16 10:56   ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-12-16 10:56 ` [PATCH 08/13] arm/arm64: xen: avoid gcc-4.4 warning Arnd Bergmann
2016-12-16 10:56   ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-12-16 10:56 ` [PATCH 09/13] ARM: mark cmpxchg and xchg __always_inline for gcc-4.3 Arnd Bergmann
2016-12-16 10:56   ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-12-16 10:56 ` [PATCH 10/13] asm-generic: mark cmpxchg as " Arnd Bergmann
2016-12-16 10:56   ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-12-16 10:56 ` [PATCH 11/13] fs: fix unsigned enum warning with gcc-4.2 Arnd Bergmann
2016-12-16 10:56   ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-01-03 22:47   ` Brendan Gregg
2017-02-28 21:53     ` Brendan Gregg
2016-12-16 10:56 ` [PATCH 12/13] KVM: arm: avoid binary number literals for gcc-4.2 Arnd Bergmann
2016-12-16 10:56   ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-01-04 10:39   ` Christoffer Dall
2017-01-04 10:39     ` Christoffer Dall
2016-12-16 10:56 ` [PATCH 13/13] ARM: avoid 'Q' asm constraint for gcc-4.1 and earlier Arnd Bergmann
2016-12-16 10:56   ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-12-16 11:14 ` [RFC] minimum gcc version for kernel: raise to gcc-4.3 or 4.6? Arnd Bergmann
2016-12-16 11:14   ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-04-16 19:52   ` Kees Cook
2017-04-20 10:15     ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-04-20 19:52       ` Kees Cook
2017-04-20 19:52         ` Kees Cook
2017-04-21 20:55         ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-04-21 20:55           ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-04-21 21:05           ` Kees Cook
2017-04-21 21:05             ` Kees Cook
2017-04-22  3:10             ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2017-04-22  3:10               ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2017-04-22 15:30               ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-04-22 15:30                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-04-23 20:13                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-04-23 20:13                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-04-24  9:44                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-04-24  9:44                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-04-24 10:17                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-04-24 10:17                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-04-24 14:13                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-04-24 16:53                     ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2017-04-24 17:29                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-04-24 18:16                         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-04-24 18:16                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-04-24 18:30                         ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2017-04-24 18:30                           ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2017-04-24 20:30                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-04-24 20:52                             ` Kees Cook
2017-04-25  7:06                               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-04-25  7:06                                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-04-25  9:22     ` Suzuki K Poulose
2017-04-25  9:22       ` Suzuki K Poulose
2016-12-16 15:54 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-12-16 15:54   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-12-16 19:58   ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-12-16 19:58     ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-12-16 20:34     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-12-16 20:34       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-12-16 17:00 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2016-12-16 22:00   ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-12-16 22:00     ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-12-17 11:29     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior [this message]
2016-12-17 11:29       ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2017-01-02 12:23       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-01-02 12:23         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-12-20  9:59     ` Heiko Carstens
2016-12-20  9:59       ` Heiko Carstens

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