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From: Andrea Parri <andrea.parri@amarulasolutions.com>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
	mingo@kernel.org, peterz@infradead.org, boqun.feng@gmail.com,
	npiggin@gmail.com, dhowells@redhat.com, j.alglave@ucl.ac.uk,
	luc.maranget@inria.fr, akiyks@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC LKMM 1/7] tools/memory-model: Add extra ordering for locks and remove it for ordinary release/acquire
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 09:21:51 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180905072151.GA3185@andrea> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1809041503470.17060-100000@netrider.rowland.org>

On Tue, Sep 04, 2018 at 03:09:49PM -0400, Alan Stern wrote:
> On Tue, 4 Sep 2018, Andrea Parri wrote:
> > Heh, your confusion might be the reflection of mine... ;-)  That was
> > indeed a long and not conclusive discussion (meaning there're pending
> > issues); and I cannot claim to find "arguments" such as:
> > 
> >   "More than one kernel developer has expressed the opinion that
> >    the LKMM should enforce ordering of writes by locking."
> > 
> > particularly helpful (I do tend to be convinced by arguments rather
> > than by opinions).  In fact, you can take the following as my only
> > current "constructive argument" against the patch [1,2]:
> > 
> >   THE COMMIT MESSAGE IS RIDICULOUS; PLEASE EXPAND ON IT, AND DO
> >   SO BY LEVERAGING BOTH PROS AND CONS OF THE APPLIED CHANGES
> 
> Do you have any concrete suggestions (i.e., some actual text) for 
> improvements to the patch description?  Earlier in your message you 
> mentioned that Will's comment:
> 
> 	LKMM offers stronger guarantees that can portably be relied upon
> 	in the codebase.
> 
> would make a good addition.  Suitably edited, it could be added to the
> description.  I can think of a few other things myself, but I'd like to 
> hear your thoughts.  Anything else?

Yes: I do sometimes have the impression that your "rules" for trimming
text in emails/replies are too aggressive...

  Andrea


> 
> Alan
> 

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-09-05  7:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 112+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-08-29 21:10 [PATCH RFC memory-model 0/7] Memory-model changes Paul E. McKenney
2018-08-29 21:10 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-08-29 21:10 ` [PATCH RFC LKMM 1/7] tools/memory-model: Add extra ordering for locks and remove it for ordinary release/acquire Paul E. McKenney
2018-08-29 21:10   ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-08-30 12:50   ` Andrea Parri
2018-08-30 12:50     ` Andrea Parri
2018-08-30 21:31     ` Alan Stern
2018-08-30 21:31       ` Alan Stern
2018-08-31  9:17       ` Andrea Parri
2018-08-31  9:17         ` Andrea Parri
2018-08-31 14:52         ` Alan Stern
2018-08-31 14:52           ` Alan Stern
2018-08-31 16:06           ` Will Deacon
2018-08-31 16:06             ` Will Deacon
2018-08-31 18:28             ` Andrea Parri
2018-08-31 18:28               ` Andrea Parri
2018-09-03  9:01               ` Andrea Parri
2018-09-03  9:01                 ` Andrea Parri
2018-09-03 17:04                 ` Will Deacon
2018-09-03 17:04                   ` Will Deacon
2018-09-04  8:11                   ` Andrea Parri
2018-09-04  8:11                     ` Andrea Parri
2018-09-04 19:09                     ` Alan Stern
2018-09-04 19:09                       ` Alan Stern
2018-09-05  7:21                       ` Andrea Parri [this message]
2018-09-05  7:21                         ` Andrea Parri
2018-09-05 14:33                         ` Akira Yokosawa
2018-09-05 14:33                           ` Akira Yokosawa
2018-09-05 14:53                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-09-05 14:53                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-09-05 15:00                           ` Andrea Parri
2018-09-05 15:00                             ` Andrea Parri
2018-09-05 15:04                             ` Akira Yokosawa
2018-09-05 15:04                               ` Akira Yokosawa
2018-09-05 15:24                               ` Andrea Parri
2018-09-05 15:24                                 ` Andrea Parri
2018-09-03 17:52                 ` Alan Stern
2018-09-03 17:52                   ` Alan Stern
2018-09-03 18:28                   ` Andrea Parri
2018-09-03 18:28                     ` Andrea Parri
2018-09-06  1:25                 ` Alan Stern
2018-09-06  1:25                   ` Alan Stern
2018-09-06  9:36                   ` Andrea Parri
2018-09-06  9:36                     ` Andrea Parri
2018-09-07 16:00                     ` Alan Stern
2018-09-07 16:00                       ` Alan Stern
2018-09-07 16:09                       ` Will Deacon
2018-09-07 16:09                         ` Will Deacon
2018-09-07 16:39                         ` Daniel Lustig
2018-09-07 16:39                           ` Daniel Lustig
2018-09-07 17:38                           ` Alan Stern
2018-09-07 17:38                             ` Alan Stern
2018-09-08  0:04                             ` Daniel Lustig
2018-09-08  0:04                               ` Daniel Lustig
2018-09-08  9:58                             ` Andrea Parri
2018-09-08  9:58                               ` Andrea Parri
2018-09-11 19:31                               ` Alan Stern
2018-09-11 19:31                                 ` Alan Stern
2018-09-11 20:03                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-09-11 20:03                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-09-12 14:24                                   ` Alan Stern
2018-09-12 14:24                                     ` Alan Stern
2018-09-13 17:07                                   ` Alan Stern
2018-09-13 17:07                                     ` Alan Stern
2018-09-14 14:37                                     ` Andrea Parri
2018-09-14 14:37                                       ` Andrea Parri
2018-09-14 16:29                                       ` Alan Stern
2018-09-14 16:29                                         ` Alan Stern
2018-09-14 19:44                                         ` Andrea Parri
2018-09-14 19:44                                           ` Andrea Parri
2018-09-14 21:08                                       ` [PATCH v5] " Alan Stern
2018-09-14 21:08                                         ` Alan Stern
2018-09-15  3:56                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-09-15  3:56                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-09-03 17:05               ` [PATCH RFC LKMM 1/7] " Will Deacon
2018-09-03 17:05                 ` Will Deacon
2018-08-31 17:55           ` Andrea Parri
2018-08-31 17:55             ` Andrea Parri
2018-08-29 21:10 ` [PATCH RFC LKMM 2/7] doc: Replace smp_cond_acquire() with smp_cond_load_acquire() Paul E. McKenney
2018-08-29 21:10   ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-09-14 16:59   ` Will Deacon
2018-09-14 16:59     ` Will Deacon
2018-09-14 18:20     ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-09-14 18:20       ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-08-29 21:10 ` [PATCH RFC LKMM 3/7] EXP tools/memory-model: Add more LKMM limitations Paul E. McKenney
2018-08-29 21:10   ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-08-30  9:17   ` Andrea Parri
2018-08-30  9:17     ` Andrea Parri
2018-08-30 22:18     ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-08-30 22:18       ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-08-31  9:43       ` Andrea Parri
2018-08-31  9:43         ` Andrea Parri
2018-09-06 18:34         ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-09-06 18:34           ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-08-29 21:10 ` [PATCH RFC LKMM 4/7] tools/memory-model: Fix a README typo Paul E. McKenney
2018-08-29 21:10   ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-08-29 21:10 ` [PATCH RFC LKMM 5/7] EXP tools/memory-model: Add scripts to check github litmus tests Paul E. McKenney
2018-08-29 21:10   ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-08-29 21:10 ` [PATCH RFC LKMM 6/7] EXP tools/memory-model: Make scripts take "-j" abbreviation for "--jobs" Paul E. McKenney
2018-08-29 21:10   ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-08-29 21:10 ` [PATCH RFC LKMM 7/7] EXP tools/memory-model: Add .cfg and .cat files for s390 Paul E. McKenney
2018-08-29 21:10   ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-08-31 16:06   ` Will Deacon
2018-08-31 16:06     ` Will Deacon
2018-09-01 17:08     ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-09-01 17:08       ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-09-14 16:36 ` [PATCH RFC memory-model 0/7] Memory-model changes Paul E. McKenney
2018-09-14 16:36   ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-09-14 17:19   ` Alan Stern
2018-09-14 17:19     ` Alan Stern
2018-09-14 18:29     ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-09-14 18:29       ` Paul E. McKenney

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