From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD888C6FD1A for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2023 14:01:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S229772AbjCGOBk (ORCPT ); Tue, 7 Mar 2023 09:01:40 -0500 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:41692 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S229653AbjCGOBj (ORCPT ); Tue, 7 Mar 2023 09:01:39 -0500 Received: from us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com (us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com [170.10.129.124]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ACBBB149BC for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2023 06:00:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=redhat.com; s=mimecast20190719; t=1678197656; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=5ju9gg/y4szyt14f2LWbHQQkg2yj4KFsHllcMP2Gs2E=; b=PTH66N69d/DPlfII3n+JTJ0Fw0Kp+QT+Blskfh6B4IWU2KMReFFJNcB0A6qdYmhIrF3ezb x4tUcJHfuP2M7w2EsTgXrMW1NK81asmicwiD+4iZVxs+4+pF+og13c75bRVTDMS05+pv/c BE5LVD+h2OW/cUAx25elNaGa/W5hmYE= Received: from mimecast-mx02.redhat.com (mx3-rdu2.redhat.com [66.187.233.73]) by relay.mimecast.com with ESMTP with STARTTLS (version=TLSv1.2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id us-mta-153-IhkD_1szN0qSCW-h4ox-0w-1; Tue, 07 Mar 2023 09:00:52 -0500 X-MC-Unique: IhkD_1szN0qSCW-h4ox-0w-1 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx09.intmail.prod.int.rdu2.redhat.com [10.11.54.9]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mimecast-mx02.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 88A7929DD9A8; Tue, 7 Mar 2023 14:00:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from oldenburg.str.redhat.com (unknown [10.2.16.80]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5562D492C18; Tue, 7 Mar 2023 14:00:04 +0000 (UTC) From: Florian Weimer To: szabolcs.nagy@arm.com Cc: "Edgecombe, Rick P" , "david@redhat.com" , "bsingharora@gmail.com" , "hpa@zytor.com" , "Syromiatnikov, Eugene" , "peterz@infradead.org" , "rdunlap@infradead.org" , "keescook@chromium.org" , "Yu, Yu-cheng" , "Eranian, Stephane" , "kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com" , "dave.hansen@linux.intel.com" , "linux-mm@kvack.org" , "nadav.amit@gmail.com" , "jannh@google.com" , "dethoma@microsoft.com" , "broonie@kernel.org" , "kcc@google.com" , "linux-arch@vger.kernel.org" , "bp@alien8.de" , "oleg@redhat.com" , "hjl.tools@gmail.com" , "Yang, Weijiang" , "Lutomirski, Andy" , "jamorris@linux.microsoft.com" , "arnd@arndb.de" , "tglx@linutronix.de" , "Schimpe, Christina" , "debug@rivosinc.com" , "x86@kernel.org" , "linux-doc@vger.kernel.org" , "mike.kravetz@oracle.com" , "pavel@ucw.cz" , "andrew.cooper3@citrix.com" , "john.allen@amd.com" , "rppt@kernel.org" , "nd@arm.com" , "mingo@redhat.com" , "corbet@lwn.net" , "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" , "linux-api@vger.kernel.org" , "gorcunov@gmail.com" , "akpm@linux-foundation.org" Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 01/41] Documentation/x86: Add CET shadow stack description References: <636de4a28a42a082f182e940fbd8e63ea23895cc.camel@intel.com> <9714f724b53b04fdf69302c6850885f5dfbf3af5.camel@intel.com> <87wn3tsuxf.fsf@oldenburg.str.redhat.com> Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2023 15:00:02 +0100 In-Reply-To: (szabolcs's message of "Tue, 7 Mar 2023 13:03:41 +0000") Message-ID: <87ilfcoe59.fsf@oldenburg.str.redhat.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 3.1 on 10.11.54.9 Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-arch@vger.kernel.org * szabolcs: > changing/disabling the alt stack is not valid while a handler is > executing on it. if we don't allow jumping out and back to an > alt stack (swapcontext) then there can be only one alt stack > live per thread and change/disable can do the shadow stack free. > > if jump back is allowed (linux even makes it race-free with > SS_AUTODISARM) then the life-time of alt stack is extended > beyond change/disable (jump back to an unregistered alt stack). > > to support jump back to an alt stack the requirements are > > 1) user has to manage an alt shadow stack together with the alt > stack (requies user code change, not just libc). > > 2) kernel has to push a restore token on the thread shadow stack > on signal entry (at least in case of alt shadow stack, and > deal with corner cases around shadow stack overflow). We need to have a story for stackful coroutine switching as well, not just for sigaltstack. I hope that we can use OpenJDK (Project Loom) and QEMU as guinea pigs. If we have something that works for both, hopefully that covers a broad range of scenarios. Userspace coordination can eventually be handled by glibc; we can deallocate alternate stacks on thread exit fairly easily (at least compared to the current stack 8-). Thanks, Florian