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From: linux@arm.linux.org.uk (Russell King - ARM Linux)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH 1/2] arm/mx5: parse iomuxc pad configuratoin from device tree
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 17:23:49 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110807162348.GA2101@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKGA1bkM6X533w20hDV7GCPwzzj2nrjGdN6zkXsS+hCvUD_s2A@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 01:36:56PM -0500, Matt Sealey wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 2:07 AM, David Brown <davidb@codeaurora.org> wrote:
> > On Thu, Aug 04, 2011 at 06:07:15PM -0500, Matt Sealey wrote:
> >> Hi Grant, Shawn,
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 3:46 PM, Grant Likely <grant.likely@secretlab.ca> wrote:
> >> > This could get really verbose in a really big hurry. ?Fortunately the
> >> > dtb format is sophisticated enough to only store each unique property
> >> > name once, so the data shouldn't be huge, but it is still going to
> >> > make for huge source files. ?Can you think of a more concise
> >> > representation?
> >>
> >> Yes: no representation at all. The correct place for IOMUX setup being
> >> done is *inside the boot firmware as soon as physically possible* and
> >> not seconds into boot after U-Boot has made a console, done a boot
> >> timeout, loaded scripts, kernels and ramdisks from media and then
> >> uncompressed and entered a Linux kernel.
> >
> > This is true in situations where we have control over the bootloader,
> > but that isn't always the case.
> 
> Indeed it is not, but then it is "their" fault the board won't boot
> Linux, and not yours, right? :)

Not normally.  What happens is that you're provided with the boot loader.
You're told to get Linux working on the board.  Anything which the boot
loader doesn't do ends up being hacked around in the kernel.

Don't say that isn't what happens, because that comment is made with a
substantial body experience in dealing with patches from multiple
different sources containing crap to work around boot loader bugs.  Most
boot loader bugs go _unfixed_ on hardware even after being reported.

So please, don't tell us that boot loaders should do things right.  We
know, and we know (again from a vast body of experience) that relying on
boot loaders is plain idiotic and totally unworkable.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-08-07 16:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-07-25 15:07 [PATCH 0/2] Add device tree support for i.mx53 boards Shawn Guo
2011-07-25 15:07 ` [PATCH 1/2] arm/mx5: parse iomuxc pad configuratoin from device tree Shawn Guo
2011-07-25 20:46   ` Grant Likely
2011-07-26  2:43     ` Shawn Guo
2011-07-26  6:29       ` Sascha Hauer
2011-07-26 16:34         ` Shawn Guo
2011-07-31  4:02       ` Grant Likely
2011-07-26 11:19     ` Eric Miao
2011-08-04 23:07     ` Matt Sealey
2011-08-05  7:07       ` David Brown
2011-08-05 18:36         ` Matt Sealey
2011-08-05 20:26           ` Scott Wood
2011-08-05 20:36             ` David Brown
2011-08-05 21:29               ` Matt Sealey
2011-08-05 21:48                 ` Scott Wood
2011-08-06 17:41           ` Grant Likely
2011-08-07 16:23           ` Russell King - ARM Linux [this message]
2011-08-05 22:58       ` Grant Likely
2011-08-05 23:31         ` Mitch Bradley
2011-08-06  3:47           ` Mark Brown
2011-08-07 11:15       ` Sascha Hauer
2011-07-26  6:31   ` Sascha Hauer
2011-07-26 16:39     ` Shawn Guo
2011-07-26  6:39   ` Sascha Hauer
2011-07-26 16:41     ` Shawn Guo
2011-07-25 15:07 ` [PATCH 2/2] arm/mx5: add device tree support for imx53 boards Shawn Guo
2011-07-25 20:57   ` Grant Likely

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