From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.8 required=3.0 tests=DKIMWL_WL_HIGH,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SIGNED_OFF_BY, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A35A3C43331 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 2020 11:15:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bombadil.infradead.org (bombadil.infradead.org [198.137.202.133]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5D4A920714 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 2020 11:15:45 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=lists.infradead.org header.i=@lists.infradead.org header.b="e4SUG0fO" DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org 5D4A920714 Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=arm.com Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=linux-arm-kernel-bounces+infradead-linux-arm-kernel=archiver.kernel.org@lists.infradead.org DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lists.infradead.org; s=bombadil.20170209; h=Sender: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Cc:List-Subscribe:List-Help:List-Post: List-Archive:List-Unsubscribe:List-Id:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:References: Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date:Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description: Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID: List-Owner; bh=y/QmfSASf2mngkOihtsMz3JvVAcFn8f95iHaMPhWwsY=; b=e4SUG0fO6Yb7mw EcjhLK+ixcOr9htNjqz0CXUGok9kjbU20RghTSPAVjU8BUdMgc29Q/TmLGXfB0MmA3xs48bQtIKVi DVw+yygWFHTx2KjcJrAdh1rChSmH/FpsM+Ku5tX9WvVVx/TT0CZpIa2rREauTodqkBKMzxHPx6Rql uPSuUuB4cErcctJ5UhFaBz1cjO47J9FDOgm8+mCNegkj/qPZPPTyy8vJo+YCn45yz4+cxSVo176Rw sZ8ttieWAYCrFBjf/0U9NgbCXHv7XbI1Qndr35mKC+8ztKWtMWvdV1Cz58YyNn+SKVBZxSFTs1uVi vNX/b0MsuWxSjgJrNxlA==; Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=bombadil.infradead.org) by bombadil.infradead.org with esmtp (Exim 4.92.3 #3 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1jHQUC-0003rm-Hc; Thu, 26 Mar 2020 11:15:44 +0000 Received: from foss.arm.com ([217.140.110.172]) by bombadil.infradead.org with esmtp (Exim 4.92.3 #3 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1jHQU9-0003qq-SU for linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org; Thu, 26 Mar 2020 11:15:43 +0000 Received: from usa-sjc-imap-foss1.foss.arm.com (unknown [10.121.207.14]) by usa-sjc-mx-foss1.foss.arm.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD1087FA; Thu, 26 Mar 2020 04:15:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from C02TD0UTHF1T.local (usa-sjc-imap-foss1.foss.arm.com [10.121.207.14]) by usa-sjc-imap-foss1.foss.arm.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 531823F71F; Thu, 26 Mar 2020 04:15:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 11:15:21 +0000 From: Mark Rutland To: Kees Cook Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 5/5] arm64: entry: Enable random_kstack_offset support Message-ID: <20200326111521.GA72909@C02TD0UTHF1T.local> References: <20200324203231.64324-1-keescook@chromium.org> <20200324203231.64324-6-keescook@chromium.org> <20200325132127.GB12236@lakrids.cambridge.arm.com> <202003251319.AECA788D63@keescook> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <202003251319.AECA788D63@keescook> X-CRM114-Version: 20100106-BlameMichelson ( TRE 0.8.0 (BSD) ) MR-646709E3 X-CRM114-CacheID: sfid-20200326_041541_968826_F3E10A4A X-CRM114-Status: GOOD ( 17.31 ) X-BeenThere: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Jann Horn , Ard Biesheuvel , Peter Zijlstra , Catalin Marinas , x86@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org, Alexander Potapenko , linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, Andy Lutomirski , kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com, "Perla, Enrico" , Thomas Gleixner , Will Deacon , Elena Reshetova Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: "linux-arm-kernel" Errors-To: linux-arm-kernel-bounces+infradead-linux-arm-kernel=archiver.kernel.org@lists.infradead.org On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 01:22:07PM -0700, Kees Cook wrote: > On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 01:21:27PM +0000, Mark Rutland wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 01:32:31PM -0700, Kees Cook wrote: > > > Allow for a randomized stack offset on a per-syscall basis, with roughly > > > 5 bits of entropy. > > > > > > Signed-off-by: Kees Cook > > > > Just to check, do you have an idea of the impact on arm64? Patch 3 had > > figures for x86 where it reads the TSC, and it's unclear to me how > > get_random_int() compares to that. > > I didn't do a measurement on arm64 since I don't have a good bare-metal > test environment. I know Andy Lutomirki has plans for making > get_random_get() as fast as possible, so that's why I used it here. Ok. I suspect I also won't get the chance to test that in the next few days, but if I do I'll try to share the results. My concern here was that, get_random_int() has to grab a spinlock and mess with IRQ masking, so has the potential to block for much longer, but that might not be an issue in practice, and I don't think that should block these patches. > I couldn't figure out if there was a comparable instruction like rdtsc > in aarch64 (it seems there's a cycle counter, but I found nothing in > the kernel that seemed to actually use it)? AArch64 doesn't have a direct equivalent. The generic counter (CNTxCT_EL0) is the closest thing, but its nominal frequency is typically much lower than the nominal CPU clock frequency (unlike TSC where they're the same). The cycle counter (PMCCNTR_EL0) is part of the PMU, and can't be relied on in the same way (e.g. as perf reprograms it to generate overflow events, and it can stop for things like WFI/WFE). Thanks, Mark. _______________________________________________ linux-arm-kernel mailing list linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-arm-kernel