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* Re: [PATCH] arm64: mmu: no write cache for O_SYNC flag
       [not found] <20200326163625.30714-1-li.wang@windriver.com>
@ 2020-03-26 16:55 ` Catalin Marinas
  2020-03-27 14:29 ` Mark Rutland
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 3+ messages in thread
From: Catalin Marinas @ 2020-03-26 16:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Li Wang; +Cc: Will Deacon, linux-kernel, linux-arm-kernel

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 09:36:25AM -0700, Li Wang wrote:
> reproduce steps:
> 1.
> disable CONFIG_STRICT_DEVMEM in linux kernel
> 2.
> Process A gets a Physical Address of global variable by
> "/proc/self/pagemap".
> 3.
> Process B writes a value to the same Physical Address by mmap():
> fd=open("/dev/mem",O_SYNC);
> Virtual Address=mmap(fd);
> 
> problem symptom:
> after Process B write a value to the Physical Address,
> Process A of the value of global variable does not change.
> They both W/R the same Physical Address.
> 
> technical reason:
> Process B writing the Physical Address is by the Virtual Address,
> and the Virtual Address comes from "/dev/mem" and mmap().
> In arm64 arch, the Virtual Address has write cache.
> So, maybe the value is not written into Physical Address.
> 
> fix reason:
> giving write cache flag in arm64 is in phys_mem_access_prot():
> =====
> arch/arm64/mm/mmu.c
> phys_mem_access_prot()
> {
>   if (!pfn_valid(pfn))
>     return pgprot_noncached(vma_prot);
>   else if (file->f_flags & O_SYNC)
>     return pgprot_writecombine(vma_prot);
>   return vma_prot;
> }
> ====
> the other arch and the share function drivers/char/mem.c of phys_mem_access_prot()
> does not add write cache flag.
> So, removing the flag to fix the issue

Other architectures may have transparent caches and don't require
different attributes.

> Signed-off-by: Li Wang <li.wang@windriver.com>
> Cc: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
> Cc: Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>
> Cc: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
> Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
> ---
>  arch/arm64/mm/mmu.c | 2 --
>  1 file changed, 2 deletions(-)
> 
> diff --git a/arch/arm64/mm/mmu.c b/arch/arm64/mm/mmu.c
> index 128f70852bf3..d7083965ca17 100644
> --- a/arch/arm64/mm/mmu.c
> +++ b/arch/arm64/mm/mmu.c
> @@ -81,8 +81,6 @@ pgprot_t phys_mem_access_prot(struct file *file, unsigned long pfn,
>  {
>  	if (!pfn_valid(pfn))
>  		return pgprot_noncached(vma_prot);
> -	else if (file->f_flags & O_SYNC)
> -		return pgprot_writecombine(vma_prot);
>  	return vma_prot;
>  }
>  EXPORT_SYMBOL(phys_mem_access_prot);

A better solution is for user space not to pass O_SYNC when opening
/dev/mem. We've had this ABI for a long time (arch/arm/ and several
other architectures do the same), why change it now?

-- 
Catalin

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* Re: [PATCH] arm64: mmu: no write cache for O_SYNC flag
       [not found] <20200326163625.30714-1-li.wang@windriver.com>
  2020-03-26 16:55 ` [PATCH] arm64: mmu: no write cache for O_SYNC flag Catalin Marinas
@ 2020-03-27 14:29 ` Mark Rutland
       [not found]   ` <6fc201bf-ad0c-3dae-783e-c9c9e4ac034e@windriver.com>
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From: Mark Rutland @ 2020-03-27 14:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Li Wang; +Cc: Catalin Marinas, Will Deacon, linux-kernel, linux-arm-kernel

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 09:36:25AM -0700, Li Wang wrote:
> reproduce steps:
> 1.
> disable CONFIG_STRICT_DEVMEM in linux kernel
> 2.
> Process A gets a Physical Address of global variable by
> "/proc/self/pagemap".
> 3.
> Process B writes a value to the same Physical Address by mmap():
> fd=open("/dev/mem",O_SYNC);
> Virtual Address=mmap(fd);

Is this just to demonstrate the behaviour, or is this meant to be
indicative of a real use-case? I'm struggling to see the latter.

> problem symptom:
> after Process B write a value to the Physical Address,
> Process A of the value of global variable does not change.
> They both W/R the same Physical Address.

If Process A is not using the same attributes as process B, there is no
guarantee of coherency. How did process A map this memory?

> technical reason:
> Process B writing the Physical Address is by the Virtual Address,
> and the Virtual Address comes from "/dev/mem" and mmap().
> In arm64 arch, the Virtual Address has write cache.
> So, maybe the value is not written into Physical Address.

I don't think that's true. I think what's happening here is:

* Process A has a Normal WBWA Cacheable mapping.
* Process B as a Normal Non-cacheable mapping.
* Process B's write does not snoop any caches, and goes straight to
  memory.
* Process A reads a value from cache, which does not include process B's
  write.

That's a natural result of using mismatched attributes, and is
consistent with the O_SYNC flag meaning that the write "is transferred
to the underlying hardware".

> 
> fix reason:
> giving write cache flag in arm64 is in phys_mem_access_prot():
> =====
> arch/arm64/mm/mmu.c
> phys_mem_access_prot()
> {
>   if (!pfn_valid(pfn))
>     return pgprot_noncached(vma_prot);
>   else if (file->f_flags & O_SYNC)
>     return pgprot_writecombine(vma_prot);
>   return vma_prot;
> }
> ====
> the other arch and the share function drivers/char/mem.c of phys_mem_access_prot()
> does not add write cache flag.
> So, removing the flag to fix the issue

This will change behaviour that other software may be relying upon, and
as above I do not believe this actually solves the problem you describe.

Thanks,
Mark.

> 
> Signed-off-by: Li Wang <li.wang@windriver.com>
> Cc: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
> Cc: Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>
> Cc: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
> Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
> ---
>  arch/arm64/mm/mmu.c | 2 --
>  1 file changed, 2 deletions(-)
> 
> diff --git a/arch/arm64/mm/mmu.c b/arch/arm64/mm/mmu.c
> index 128f70852bf3..d7083965ca17 100644
> --- a/arch/arm64/mm/mmu.c
> +++ b/arch/arm64/mm/mmu.c
> @@ -81,8 +81,6 @@ pgprot_t phys_mem_access_prot(struct file *file, unsigned long pfn,
>  {
>  	if (!pfn_valid(pfn))
>  		return pgprot_noncached(vma_prot);
> -	else if (file->f_flags & O_SYNC)
> -		return pgprot_writecombine(vma_prot);
>  	return vma_prot;
>  }
>  EXPORT_SYMBOL(phys_mem_access_prot);
> -- 
> 2.24.1
> 

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* Re: [PATCH] arm64: mmu: no write cache for O_SYNC flag
       [not found]   ` <6fc201bf-ad0c-3dae-783e-c9c9e4ac034e@windriver.com>
@ 2020-03-27 17:02     ` Mark Rutland
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From: Mark Rutland @ 2020-03-27 17:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Wang, Li; +Cc: Catalin Marinas, Will Deacon, linux-kernel, linux-arm-kernel

On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 12:47:32AM +0800, Wang, Li wrote:
> 
> 在 2020/3/27 22:29, Mark Rutland 写道:
> > On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 09:36:25AM -0700, Li Wang wrote:
> > > reproduce steps:
> > > 1.
> > > disable CONFIG_STRICT_DEVMEM in linux kernel
> > > 2.
> > > Process A gets a Physical Address of global variable by
> > > "/proc/self/pagemap".
> > > 3.
> > > Process B writes a value to the same Physical Address by mmap():
> > > fd=open("/dev/mem",O_SYNC);
> > > Virtual Address=mmap(fd);
> > Is this just to demonstrate the behaviour, or is this meant to be
> > indicative of a real use-case? I'm struggling to see the latter.
> > 
> > > problem symptom:
> > > after Process B write a value to the Physical Address,
> > > Process A of the value of global variable does not change.
> > > They both W/R the same Physical Address.
> > If Process A is not using the same attributes as process B, there is no
> > guarantee of coherency. How did process A map this memory?
> 
> 
> about 2 Process:
> 
> Process A:
> 
> the memory is not declared by map function, it is just a global variable.

Then it is exactly as I described previously, and Process A has it
mapped with a Normal Write-Back Cacheable mappping.

Process B requests a mapping of that memory via /dev/mem. It passes the
O_SYNC flag, and to ensure that accesses go to "the underlying hardware"
the kernel makes this mapping Normal Non-Cacheable (which means it
should not look in a cache, or be allocated into one).

The two mappings are not coherent because process A uses the cache, but
process B does not. This is the expected behaviour, consistent with the
semantic of O_SYNC. If you need the two to be coherent, they must both
use the same attributes.

Process B can be coherent with process A if it does *not* pass O_SYNC,
which would give it a Normal Write-Back Cacheable mapping that was
coherent with process A.

> if you agree that O_SYNC flag means "is transferred to the underlying
> hardware",
> 
> the arm64 does not do that:
> 
> when use O_SYNC flag under arm64 arch, it adds write cache feature,

As above, this is not the case. O_SYNC causes the kernel to use a
non-cacheable mapping, where it would normally create a cacheable
mapping. i.e. O_SYNC *removes* cacheability.

It just happens that process A is using a cacheable mapping, which is
the case regardless of what process B does.

Thanks,
Mark.

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