From: Baoquan He <bhe@redhat.com>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
Cc: piliu@redhat.com, Anshuman Khandual <anshuman.khandual@arm.com>,
Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
Bhupesh Sharma <bhsharma@redhat.com>,
linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org, kexec@lists.infradead.org,
Russell King - ARM Linux admin <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, James Morse <james.morse@arm.com>,
"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] kexec: Prevent removal of memory in use by a loaded kexec image
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 10:35:24 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200415023524.GG4247@MiWiFi-R3L-srv> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0085f460-b0c7-b25f-36a7-fa3bafaab6fe@redhat.com>
On 04/14/20 at 04:49pm, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> >>>>> The root cause is kexec-ed kernel is targeted at hotpluggable memory
> >>>>> region. Just avoiding the movable area can fix it. In kexec_file_load(),
> >>>>> just checking or picking those unmovable region to put kernel/initrd in
> >>>>> function locate_mem_hole_callback() can fix it. The page or pageblock's
> >>>>> zone is movable or not, it's easy to know. This fix doesn't need to
> >>>>> bother other component.
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't fully agree. E.g., just because memory is onlined to ZONE_NORMAL
> >>>> does not imply that it cannot get offlined and removed e.g., this is
> >>>> heavily used on ppc64, with 16MB sections.
> >>>
> >>> Really? I just know there are two kinds of mem hoplug in ppc, but don't
> >>> know the details. So in this case, is there any flag or a way to know
> >>> those memory block are hotpluggable? I am curious how those kernel data
> >>> is avoided to be put in this area. Or ppc just freely uses it for kernel
> >>> data or user space data, then try to migrate when hot remove?
> >>
> >> See
> >> arch/powerpc/platforms/pseries/hotplug-memory.c:dlpar_memory_remove_by_count()
> >>
> >> Under DLAPR, it can remove memory in LMB granularity, which is usually
> >> 16MB (== single section on ppc64). DLPAR will directly online all
> >> hotplugged memory (LMBs) from the kernel using device_online(), which
> >> will go to ZONE_NORMAL.
> >>
> >> When trying to remove memory, it simply scans for offlineable 16MB
> >> memory blocks (==section == LMB), offlines and removes them. No need for
> >> the movable zone and all the involved issues.
> >
> > Yes, this is a different one, thanks for pointing it out. It sounds like
> > balloon driver in virt platform, doesn't it?
>
> With DLPAR there is a hypervisor involved (which manages the actual HW
> DIMMs), so yes.
>
> >
> > Avoiding to put kexec kernel into movable zone can't solve this DLPAR
> > case as you said.
> >
> >>
> >> Now, the interesting question is, can we have LMBs added during boot
> >> (not via add_memory()), that will later be removed via remove_memory().
> >> IIRC, we had BUGs related to that, so I think yes. If a section contains
> >> no unmovable allocations (after boot), it can get removed.
> >
> > I do want to ask this question. If we can add LMB into system RAM, then
> > reload kexec can solve it.
> >
> > Another better way is adding a common function to filter out the
> > movable zone when search position for kexec kernel, use a arch specific
> > funciton to filter out DLPAR memory blocks for ppc only. Over there,
> > we can simply use for_each_drmem_lmb() to do that.
>
> I was thinking about something similar. Maybe something like a notifier
> that can be used to test if selected memory can be used for kexec
Not sure if I get the notifier idea clearly. If you mean
1) Add a common function to pick memory in unmovable zone;
2) Let DLPAR, balloon register with notifier;
3) In the common function, ask notified part to check if the picked
unmovable memory is available for locating kexec kernel;
Sounds doable to me, and not complicated.
> images. It would apply to
>
> - arm64 and filter out all hotadded memory (IIRC, only boot memory can
> be used).
Do you mean hot added memory after boot can't be recognized and added
into system RAM on arm64?
> - powerpc to filter out all LMBs that can be removed (assuming not all
> memory corresponds to LMBs that can be removed, otherwise we're in
> trouble ... :) )
> - virtio-mem to filter out all memory it added.
> - hyper-v to filter out partially backed memory blocks (esp. the last
> memory block it added and only partially backed it by memory).
>
> This would make it work for kexec_file_load(), however, I do wonder how
> we would want to approach that from userspace kexec-tools when handling
> it from kexec_load().
Let's make kexec_file_load work firstly. Since this work is only first
step to make kexec-ed kernel not break memory hotplug. After kexec
rebooting, the KASLR may locate kernel into hotpluggable area too.
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Thread overview: 92+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-03-26 18:07 [PATCH 0/3] kexec/memory_hotplug: Prevent removal and accidental use James Morse
2020-03-26 18:07 ` [PATCH 1/3] kexec: Prevent removal of memory in use by a loaded kexec image James Morse
2020-03-27 0:43 ` Anshuman Khandual
2020-03-27 2:54 ` Baoquan He
2020-03-27 15:46 ` James Morse
2020-03-27 2:34 ` Baoquan He
2020-03-27 9:30 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-27 16:56 ` James Morse
2020-03-27 17:06 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-27 18:07 ` James Morse
2020-03-27 18:52 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-30 13:00 ` James Morse
2020-03-30 13:13 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-30 17:17 ` James Morse
2020-03-30 18:14 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-10 19:10 ` Andrew Morton
2020-04-11 3:44 ` Baoquan He
2020-04-11 9:30 ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-04-11 9:58 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-12 5:35 ` Baoquan He
2020-04-12 8:08 ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-04-12 19:52 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-12 20:37 ` Bhupesh SHARMA
2020-04-13 2:37 ` Baoquan He
2020-04-13 13:15 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-13 23:01 ` Andrew Morton
2020-04-14 6:13 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-14 6:40 ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14 6:51 ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14 8:00 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14 9:22 ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14 9:37 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14 14:39 ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14 14:49 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-15 2:35 ` Baoquan He [this message]
2020-04-16 13:31 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-16 14:02 ` Baoquan He
2020-04-16 14:09 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-16 14:36 ` Baoquan He
2020-04-16 14:47 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 13:29 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 13:57 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 13:59 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-21 14:30 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-22 9:17 ` Baoquan He
2020-04-22 9:24 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-22 9:57 ` Baoquan He
2020-04-22 10:05 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-22 10:36 ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14 9:16 ` Dave Young
2020-04-14 9:38 ` Dave Young
2020-04-14 7:05 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14 16:55 ` James Morse
2020-04-14 17:41 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-15 20:33 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-22 12:28 ` James Morse
2020-04-22 15:25 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-22 16:40 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-23 16:29 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-24 7:39 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-24 7:41 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-05-01 16:55 ` James Morse
2020-03-26 18:07 ` [PATCH 2/3] mm/memory_hotplug: Allow arch override of non boot memory resource names James Morse
2020-03-27 9:59 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-27 15:39 ` James Morse
2020-03-30 13:23 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-30 17:17 ` James Morse
2020-04-02 5:49 ` Dave Young
2020-04-02 6:12 ` piliu
2020-04-14 17:21 ` James Morse
2020-04-15 20:36 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-22 12:14 ` James Morse
2020-05-09 0:45 ` Andrew Morton
2020-05-11 8:35 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-26 18:07 ` [PATCH 3/3] arm64: memory: Give hotplug memory a different resource name James Morse
2020-03-30 19:01 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-15 20:37 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-22 12:14 ` James Morse
2020-03-27 2:11 ` [PATCH 0/3] kexec/memory_hotplug: Prevent removal and accidental use Baoquan He
2020-03-27 15:40 ` James Morse
2020-03-27 9:27 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-27 15:42 ` James Morse
2020-03-30 13:18 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-30 13:55 ` Baoquan He
2020-03-30 17:17 ` James Morse
2020-03-31 3:46 ` Dave Young
2020-04-14 17:31 ` James Morse
2020-03-31 3:38 ` Dave Young
2020-04-15 20:29 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-22 12:14 ` James Morse
2020-04-22 13:04 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-22 15:40 ` James Morse
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