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From: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>
To: Miroslav Benes <mbenes@suse.cz>
Cc: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, jpoimboe@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] arm64: Implement reliable stack trace
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 15:16:12 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201015141612.GC50416@C02TD0UTHF1T.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LSU.2.21.2010151533490.14094@pobox.suse.cz>

On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 03:39:37PM +0200, Miroslav Benes wrote:
> Hi,

Hi all,

> On Mon, 12 Oct 2020, Mark Brown wrote:
> 
> > This patch series aims to implement reliable stacktrace for arm64. 
> > Reliable stacktrace exists mainly to support live patching, it provides
> > a version of stacktrace that checks for consistency problems in the
> > traces it generates and provides an error code to callers indicating if
> > any problems were detected.      
> > 
> > This is a first cut of support for arm64, I've not really even started
> > testing it meaningfully at this point.  The main thing I'm looking for
> > here is that I'm not sure if there are any more potential indicators of
> > unrelabile stacks that I'm missing tests for or anything about the
> > interfaces that I've misunderstood.
> 
> I'll just copy an excerpt from my notes about the required guarantees. 
> Written by Josh (CCed, he has better idea about the problem than me 
> anyway).
> 
> "
> The unwinder needs to be able to detect all stack corruption and return
> an error.
> [ But note that we don't need to worry about unwinding a task's stack
> while the task is running, which can be a common source of
> "corruption".  For livepatch we make sure every task is blocked
> (except when checking the current task). ]
> 
> It also needs to:
> - detect preemption / page fault frames and return an error
> - only return success if it reaches the end of the task stack; for user
>   tasks, that means the syscall barrier; for kthreads/idle tasks, that
>   means finding a defined thread entry point
> - make sure it can't get into a recursive loop
> - make sure each return address is a valid text address
> - properly detect generated code hacks like function graph tracing and
>   kretprobes
> "

It would be great if we could put something like the above into the
kernel tree, either under Documentation/ or in a comment somewhere for
the reliable stacktrace functions.

AFAICT, existing architectures don't always handle all of the above in
arch_stack_walk_reliable(). For example, it looks like x86 assumes
unwiding through exceptions is reliable for !CONFIG_FRAME_POINTER, but I
think this might not always be true.

I was planning to send a mail once I've finished writing a test, but
IIUC there are some windows where ftrace/kretprobes detection/repainting
may not work, e.g. if preempted after ftrace_return_to_handler()
decrements curr_ret_stack, but before the arch termpoline asm restores
the original return addr. So we might need something like an
in_return_trampoline() to detect and report that reliably.

Thanks,
Mark.

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Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-10-12 17:26 [RFC PATCH 0/3] arm64: Implement reliable stack trace Mark Brown
2020-10-12 17:26 ` [RFC PATCH 1/3] arm64: remove EL0 exception frame record Mark Brown
2020-10-12 17:26 ` [RFC PATCH 2/3] arm64: stacktrace: Report when we reach the end of the stack Mark Brown
2020-10-13 11:07   ` Mark Rutland
2020-10-12 17:26 ` [RFC PATCH 3/3] arm64: stacktrace: Implement reliable stacktrace Mark Brown
2020-10-13 10:42   ` Mark Brown
2020-10-13 11:42   ` Mark Rutland
2020-10-13 16:12     ` Mark Brown
2020-10-15 13:33   ` Miroslav Benes
2020-10-15 15:57     ` Mark Brown
2020-10-16 10:13       ` Miroslav Benes
2020-10-16 12:30         ` Mark Brown
2020-10-15 13:39 ` [RFC PATCH 0/3] arm64: Implement reliable stack trace Miroslav Benes
2020-10-15 14:16   ` Mark Rutland [this message]
2020-10-15 15:49     ` Mark Brown
2020-10-15 21:29       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-10-16 11:14         ` Mark Rutland
2020-10-20 10:03           ` Mark Rutland
2020-10-20 15:58             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-10-16 12:15         ` Mark Brown
2020-10-19 23:41           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-10-20 15:39             ` Mark Brown
2020-10-20 16:28               ` Josh Poimboeuf
2021-01-27 14:02 ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2021-01-27 16:40   ` Mark Rutland
2021-01-27 17:11     ` Mark Brown
2021-01-27 17:24   ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2021-01-27 19:54 ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2021-01-28 14:22   ` Mark Brown
2021-01-28 15:26     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2021-01-29 21:39       ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2021-02-01  3:20         ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2021-02-01 14:39         ` Mark Brown
2021-01-30  4:38       ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2021-02-01 15:21       ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2021-02-01 15:46         ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2021-02-01 16:02         ` Mark Rutland
2021-02-01 16:22           ` Mark Brown
2021-02-01 21:40             ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2021-02-01 21:38           ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2021-02-01 23:00             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2021-02-02  2:29               ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2021-02-02  3:36                 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2021-02-02 10:05             ` Mark Rutland
2021-02-02 13:33               ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2021-02-02 13:35               ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2021-02-02 23:32               ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2021-02-03 16:53                 ` Mark Rutland
2021-02-03 19:03                   ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2021-02-05  2:36                     ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2021-02-01 21:59     ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2021-02-02 13:36       ` Mark Brown

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