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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Guo Ren <guoren@kernel.org>
Cc: Alex Kogan <alex.kogan@oracle.com>,
	linux@armlinux.org.uk, mingo@redhat.com, will.deacon@arm.com,
	arnd@arndb.de, longman@redhat.com, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, tglx@linutronix.de, bp@alien8.de,
	hpa@zytor.com, x86@kernel.org, guohanjun@huawei.com,
	jglauber@marvell.com, steven.sistare@oracle.com,
	daniel.m.jordan@oracle.com, dave.dice@oracle.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v15 3/6] locking/qspinlock: Introduce CNA into the slow path of qspinlock
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2023 10:25:31 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230804082531.GL212435@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJF2gTQkZ_dVgrdyxRjb=HHgMkBxCkJy0cX_C-FF_ZSQ1ODj-g@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Aug 04, 2023 at 09:33:48AM +0800, Guo Ren wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 7:57 PM Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:

> > CNA should only show a benefit when there is strong inter-node
> > contention, and in that case it is typically best to fix the kernel side
> > locking.
> >
> > Hence the question as to what lock prompted you to look at this.
> I met the long lock queue situation when the hardware gave an overly
> aggressive store queue merge buffer delay mechanism. See:
> https://lore.kernel.org/linux-riscv/20230802164701.192791-8-guoren@kernel.org/

*groan*, so you're using it to work around 'broken' hardware :-(

Wouldn't that hardware have horrifically bad lock throughput anyway?
Everybody would end up waiting on that store buffer delay.

> This also let me consider improving the efficiency of the long lock
> queue release. For example, if the queue is like this:
> 
> (Node0 cpu0) -> (Node1 cpu64) -> (Node0 cpu1) -> (Node1 cpu65) ->
> (Node0 cpu2) -> (Node1 cpu66) -> ...
> 
> Then every mcs_unlock would cause a cross-NUMA transaction. But if we
> could make the queue like this:

See, this is where the ARM64 WFE would come in handy; I don't suppose
RISC-V has anything like that?

Also, by the time you have 6 waiters, I'd say the lock is terribly
contended and you should look at improving the lockinh scheme.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-08-04  8:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-05-14 20:07 [PATCH v15 0/6] Add NUMA-awareness to qspinlock Alex Kogan
2021-05-14 20:07 ` [PATCH v15 1/6] locking/qspinlock: Rename mcs lock/unlock macros and make them more generic Alex Kogan
2021-05-14 20:07 ` [PATCH v15 2/6] locking/qspinlock: Refactor the qspinlock slow path Alex Kogan
2021-05-14 20:07 ` [PATCH v15 3/6] locking/qspinlock: Introduce CNA into the slow path of qspinlock Alex Kogan
2021-09-22 19:25   ` Davidlohr Bueso
2021-09-22 19:52     ` Waiman Long
2023-08-04  1:49     ` Guo Ren
2021-09-30 10:05   ` Barry Song
2023-08-02 23:14   ` Guo Ren
2023-08-03  8:50     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-03 10:28       ` Guo Ren
2023-08-03 11:56         ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-04  1:33           ` Guo Ren
2023-08-04  1:38             ` Guo Ren
2023-08-04  8:25             ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2023-08-04 14:17               ` Guo Ren
2023-08-04 18:23                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-05  0:19                   ` Guo Ren
2021-05-14 20:07 ` [PATCH v15 4/6] locking/qspinlock: Introduce starvation avoidance into CNA Alex Kogan
2021-05-14 20:07 ` [PATCH v15 5/6] locking/qspinlock: Avoid moving certain threads between waiting queues in CNA Alex Kogan
2021-05-14 20:07 ` [PATCH v15 6/6] locking/qspinlock: Introduce the shuffle reduction optimization into CNA Alex Kogan
2021-09-30  9:44 ` [PATCH v15 0/6] Add NUMA-awareness to qspinlock Barry Song
2021-09-30 16:58   ` Waiman Long
2021-09-30 22:57     ` Barry Song
2021-09-30 23:51   ` Alex Kogan
2021-12-13 20:37 ` Alex Kogan
2021-12-15 15:13   ` Alex Kogan
2022-04-11 17:09 ` Alex Kogan

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