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From: arnd@arndb.de (Arnd Bergmann)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [RFC 0/3] extend kexec_file_load system call
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 10:29:11 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4321972.HZgDox36RC@wuerfel> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1678419.ODVtyXKVYJ@hactar>

On Wednesday, July 13, 2016 11:18:04 PM CEST Thiago Jung Bauermann wrote:
> Am Mittwoch, 13 Juli 2016, 21:59:18 schrieb Arnd Bergmann:
> > On Wednesday, July 13, 2016 3:45:41 PM CEST Thiago Jung Bauermann wrote:
> > > Am Mittwoch, 13 Juli 2016, 15:13:42 schrieb Arnd Bergmann:
> > > 
> > > For secure boot, Petitboot needs to use kexec_file_load, because of the
> > > following two features which the system call enables:
> > > 
> > > 1. only allow loading of signed kernels.
> > > 2. "measure" (i.e., record the hashes of) the kernel, initrd, kernel
> > > 
> > >    command line and other boot inputs for the Integrity Measurement
> > >    Architecture subsystem.
> > > 
> > > Those can't be done with kexec_load.
> > 
> > Can't petitboot do both of these in user space?
> 
> To be honest I'm not sure if it *can't* be done from userspace but if you do 
> it from the kernel you can guarantee that any kernel image that is loaded 
> gets verified and measured.
> 
> Whereas if you verify and measure the kernel in userspace then if there's a 
> vulnerability in the system which allows an attacker to upload their own 
> binary, then they can use kexec_load directly and bypass the verification 
> and measurement.
> 
> So it's a more resilient design.

Right, but the question remains whether this helps while you allow the
boot loader to modify the dtb. If an attacker gets in and cannot modify
the kernel or initid but can modify the DT, a successful attack would
be a bit harder than having a modified kernel, but you may still need
to treat the system as compromised.

	Arnd

  reply	other threads:[~2016-07-14  8:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-07-12  1:41 [RFC 0/3] extend kexec_file_load system call AKASHI Takahiro
2016-07-12  1:41 ` [RFC 1/3] syscall: add kexec_file_load to generic unistd.h AKASHI Takahiro
2016-07-12  1:42 ` [RFC 2/3] kexec: add dtb info to struct kimage AKASHI Takahiro
2016-07-12  1:42 ` [RFC 3/3] kexec: extend kexec_file_load system call AKASHI Takahiro
2016-07-15 13:09   ` Vivek Goyal
2016-07-15 13:19     ` Mark Rutland
2016-07-18  2:30       ` Dave Young
2016-07-18 10:07         ` Mark Rutland
2016-07-19  0:55           ` Dave Young
2016-07-19 10:52             ` Mark Rutland
2016-07-19 12:24               ` Vivek Goyal
2016-07-19 12:47                 ` Mark Rutland
2016-07-19 13:26                   ` Vivek Goyal
2016-07-20 11:41         ` David Laight
2016-07-21  9:21           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-07-18  2:33     ` Dave Young
2016-07-27  0:24   ` [PATCH v2 " Thiago Jung Bauermann
2016-08-05 20:46     ` Thiago Jung Bauermann
2016-07-12 13:25 ` [RFC 0/3] " Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-12 13:58   ` Thiago Jung Bauermann
2016-07-12 14:02     ` Vivek Goyal
2016-07-12 23:45       ` Stewart Smith
2016-07-13 13:27         ` Vivek Goyal
2016-07-12 14:02   ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-07-12 14:18     ` Vivek Goyal
2016-07-12 14:24       ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-07-12 14:50         ` Mark Rutland
2016-07-13  2:36           ` Dave Young
2016-07-13  8:01             ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-07-13  8:23               ` Stewart Smith
2016-07-13  9:41               ` Mark Rutland
2016-07-13 13:13                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-07-13 18:45                   ` Thiago Jung Bauermann
2016-07-13 19:59                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-07-14  2:18                       ` Thiago Jung Bauermann
2016-07-14  8:29                         ` Arnd Bergmann [this message]
2016-07-15  1:44                           ` Thiago Jung Bauermann
2016-07-15  7:31                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-07-15 13:26                               ` Vivek Goyal
2016-07-15 13:33                                 ` Mark Rutland
2016-07-15 15:29                                   ` Thiago Jung Bauermann
2016-07-15 15:47                                     ` Mark Rutland
2016-07-15 13:42                                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-07-15 20:26                                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-07-15 21:03                                     ` Thiago Jung Bauermann
2016-07-22  0:09                                       ` Thiago Jung Bauermann
2016-07-22  0:53                                         ` Jeremy Kerr
2016-07-22  2:54                                         ` Michael Ellerman
2016-07-22 20:41                                           ` Thiago Jung Bauermann
2016-07-15  8:49                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-07-15 13:03                     ` Vivek Goyal
2016-07-13  9:34             ` Mark Rutland
2016-07-13 17:38               ` AKASHI Takahiro
2016-07-13 17:58                 ` Mark Rutland
2016-07-13 19:57                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-07-14 12:42                     ` Mark Rutland
2016-07-14  1:54                 ` Dave Young
2016-07-14  1:50               ` Dave Young
2016-07-12 16:25   ` Thiago Jung Bauermann
2016-07-12 20:58     ` Petr Tesarik
2016-07-12 21:22       ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-12 21:36         ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-12 21:53         ` Petr Tesarik
2016-07-12 22:18       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-07-13  4:59         ` Stewart Smith
2016-07-13  7:36           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-07-13  7:47             ` Ard Biesheuvel
2016-07-13  8:09               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-07-13  8:20               ` Stewart Smith
2016-07-13  7:55             ` Stewart Smith
2016-07-13  8:26               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-07-13  8:36                 ` Dave Young
2016-07-13  8:57                 ` Petr Tesarik
2016-07-13 13:03                 ` Vivek Goyal
2016-07-13 17:40                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-07-13 18:22                     ` Vivek Goyal
2016-07-18 12:46                       ` Balbir Singh
2016-07-18 13:26                         ` Vivek Goyal
2016-07-18 13:38                           ` Vivek Goyal
2016-07-20  3:45                           ` Balbir Singh
2016-07-20  8:35                             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-07-20 10:47                               ` Michael Ellerman
2016-07-20 11:12                               ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-07-20 15:50                                 ` Thiago Jung Bauermann
2016-07-20 12:46                               ` Vivek Goyal
2016-07-20 12:27                             ` Vivek Goyal
2016-07-12 23:41       ` Stewart Smith
2016-07-13 13:25         ` Vivek Goyal

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