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From: Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>
To: Mateusz Kwiatkowski <kfyatek@gmail.com>
Cc: "Maxime Ripard" <maxime@cerno.tech>,
	"Maxime Ripard" <mripard@kernel.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 09/41] drm/connector: Add TV standard property
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2022 09:35:20 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAMuHMdU_yfr1ybNM9Dyk6n34Cqv5WJv1wZxQ_ZGJ_T8JCOeB2g@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <30a9d7cd-d9ff-3177-ac6c-e7c1f966d89a@gmail.com>

Hi Mateusz,

On Fri, Sep 2, 2022 at 12:00 AM Mateusz Kwiatkowski <kfyatek@gmail.com> wrote:
> W dniu 29.08.2022 o 15:11, Maxime Ripard pisze:
> > The TV mode property has been around for a while now to select and get the
> > current TV mode output on an analog TV connector.
> >
> > Despite that property name being generic, its content isn't and has been
> > driver-specific which makes it hard to build any generic behaviour on top
> > of it, both in kernel and user-space.
> >
> > Let's create a new bitmask tv norm property, that can contain any of the
> > analog TV standards currently supported by kernel drivers. Each driver can
> > then pass in a bitmask of the modes it supports.
>
> This is not a bitmask property anymore, you've just changed it to an enum.
> The commit message is now misleading.
>
> > +static const struct drm_prop_enum_list drm_tv_mode_enum_list[] = {
> > +    { DRM_MODE_TV_MODE_NTSC_443, "NTSC-443" },
> > +    { DRM_MODE_TV_MODE_NTSC_J, "NTSC-J" },
> > +    { DRM_MODE_TV_MODE_NTSC_M, "NTSC-M" },
> > +    { DRM_MODE_TV_MODE_PAL_60, "PAL-60" },
> > +    { DRM_MODE_TV_MODE_PAL_B, "PAL-B" },
> > +    { DRM_MODE_TV_MODE_PAL_D, "PAL-D" },
> > +    { DRM_MODE_TV_MODE_PAL_G, "PAL-G" },
> > +    { DRM_MODE_TV_MODE_PAL_H, "PAL-H" },
> > +    { DRM_MODE_TV_MODE_PAL_I, "PAL-I" },
> > +    { DRM_MODE_TV_MODE_PAL_M, "PAL-M" },
> > +    { DRM_MODE_TV_MODE_PAL_N, "PAL-N" },
> > +    { DRM_MODE_TV_MODE_PAL_NC, "PAL-Nc" },
> > +    { DRM_MODE_TV_MODE_SECAM_60, "SECAM-60" },
> > +    { DRM_MODE_TV_MODE_SECAM_B, "SECAM-B" },
> > +    { DRM_MODE_TV_MODE_SECAM_D, "SECAM-D" },
> > +    { DRM_MODE_TV_MODE_SECAM_G, "SECAM-G" },
> > +    { DRM_MODE_TV_MODE_SECAM_K, "SECAM-K" },
> > +    { DRM_MODE_TV_MODE_SECAM_K1, "SECAM-K1" },
> > +    { DRM_MODE_TV_MODE_SECAM_L, "SECAM-L" },
> > +};
>
> I did not comment on it the last time, but this list looks a little bit random.
>
> Compared to the standards defined by V4L2, you also define SECAM-60 (a good
> thing to define, because why not), but don't define PAL-B1, PAL-D1, PAL-K,
> SECAM-H, SECAM-LC (whatever that is - probably just another name for SECAM-L,
> see my comment about PAL-Nc below), or NTSC-M-KR (a Korean variant of NTSC).
>
> Like I mentioned previously, I'm personally not a fan of including all those
> CCIR/ITU system variants, as they don't mean any difference to the output unless
> there is an RF modulator involved. But I get it that they have already been used
> and regressing probably wouldn't be a very good idea. But in that case keeping
> it consistent with the set of values used by V4L2 would be wise, I think.

Exactly. Anything outputting RGB (e.g. through a SCART or VGA connector)
doesn't care about the color subcarrier or modulator parts.  Likewise,
anything outputting CVBS doesn't care about the modulator part.

Perhaps "generic" variants of NSTC and PAL/SECAM should be added, which
would really just mean 525/60 resp. 625/50.

Alternatively, the tv_mode field could be split in two parts (either
two separate fields, or bitwise), to maintain a clear separation between
lines/fields versus color encoding and RF modulation (with zero for the
latter meaning a generic version)? That would also keep the door open
for TV_MODE_405_50, TV_MODE_819_50, TV_MODE_750_50, TV_MODE_750_60, ...

Gr{oetje,eeting}s,

                        Geert

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Thread overview: 128+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-08-29 13:11 [PATCH v2 00/41] drm: Analog TV Improvements Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 01/41] drm/tests: Order Kunit tests in Makefile Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 18:46   ` Noralf Trønnes
2022-08-29 19:02     ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2022-08-30  8:30       ` Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 02/41] drm/tests: Add Kunit Helpers Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 03/41] drm/atomic-helper: Rename drm_atomic_helper_connector_tv_reset to avoid ambiguity Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 04/41] drm/connector: Rename subconnector state variable Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 05/41] drm/atomic: Add TV subconnector property to get/set_property Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 06/41] drm/connector: Rename legacy TV property Maxime Ripard
2022-08-30 19:27   ` Noralf Trønnes
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 07/41] drm/connector: Only register TV mode property if present Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 08/41] drm/connector: Rename drm_mode_create_tv_properties Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 09/41] drm/connector: Add TV standard property Maxime Ripard
2022-09-01 22:00   ` Mateusz Kwiatkowski
2022-09-02  7:35     ` Geert Uytterhoeven [this message]
2022-09-07 12:11       ` Maxime Ripard
2022-09-07 12:10     ` Maxime Ripard
2022-09-07 19:52       ` Mateusz Kwiatkowski
2022-09-09  9:46         ` Maxime Ripard
2022-09-11  4:32           ` Mateusz Kwiatkowski
2022-09-05 10:18   ` Noralf Trønnes
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 10/41] drm/modes: Add a function to generate analog display modes Maxime Ripard
2022-08-30 13:01   ` Maíra Canal
2022-09-08 11:10     ` Maxime Ripard
2022-08-31  1:44   ` Mateusz Kwiatkowski
2022-08-31  8:14     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-09-05 13:32       ` Maxime Ripard
2022-09-05 16:32         ` Mateusz Kwiatkowski
2022-09-07 14:38           ` Maxime Ripard
2022-09-05 13:37     ` Maxime Ripard
2022-09-05 16:44       ` Mateusz Kwiatkowski
2022-09-07 14:34         ` Maxime Ripard
2022-09-07 21:31           ` Mateusz Kwiatkowski
2022-09-09 13:54             ` Maxime Ripard
2022-09-11  4:48               ` Mateusz Kwiatkowski
2022-09-11  4:51                 ` Mateusz Kwiatkowski
2022-09-21 15:05                 ` Maxime Ripard
2022-09-09 14:00             ` Maxime Ripard
2022-09-11  4:30               ` kFYatek
2022-09-21 14:26                 ` Maxime Ripard
2022-09-01 19:09   ` Noralf Trønnes
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 11/41] drm/modes: Only consider bpp and refresh before options Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 12/41] drm/modes: parse_cmdline: Add support for named modes containing dashes Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 13/41] drm/client: Add some tests for drm_connector_pick_cmdline_mode() Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 14/41] drm/modes: Move named modes parsing to a separate function Maxime Ripard
2022-08-30 10:06   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-08-30 10:43     ` Jani Nikula
2022-08-30 12:03       ` Maxime Ripard
2022-08-30 13:36         ` Jani Nikula
2022-09-07  8:39           ` Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 15/41] drm/modes: Switch to named mode descriptors Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 16/41] drm/modes: Fill drm_cmdline mode from named modes Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 17/41] drm/connector: Add pixel clock to cmdline mode Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 18/41] drm/connector: Add a function to lookup a TV mode by its name Maxime Ripard
2022-08-31 19:14   ` Noralf Trønnes
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 19/41] drm/modes: Introduce the tv_mode property as a command-line option Maxime Ripard
2022-08-30 12:34   ` Maíra Canal
2022-08-30 12:44   ` Maíra Canal
2022-09-01 22:46   ` Mateusz Kwiatkowski
2022-09-05 14:28     ` Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 20/41] drm/modes: Properly generate a drm_display_mode from a named mode Maxime Ripard
2022-09-01 22:52   ` Mateusz Kwiatkowski
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 21/41] drm/modes: Introduce more named modes Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 22/41] drm/atomic-helper: Add a TV properties reset helper Maxime Ripard
2022-08-30 18:40   ` Noralf Trønnes
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 23/41] drm/atomic-helper: Add an analog TV atomic_check implementation Maxime Ripard
2022-08-30 18:49   ` Noralf Trønnes
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 24/41] drm/vc4: vec: Remove empty mode_fixup Maxime Ripard
2022-08-30 15:23   ` Noralf Trønnes
2022-09-07  8:34   ` (subset) " Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 25/41] drm/vc4: vec: Convert to atomic helpers Maxime Ripard
2022-08-30 15:24   ` Noralf Trønnes
2022-09-07  8:35   ` (subset) " Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 26/41] drm/vc4: vec: Refactor VEC TV mode setting Maxime Ripard
2022-08-30 15:29   ` Noralf Trønnes
2022-09-07  8:35   ` (subset) " Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 27/41] drm/vc4: vec: Remove redundant atomic_mode_set Maxime Ripard
2022-08-30 15:45   ` Noralf Trønnes
2022-09-07  8:35   ` (subset) " Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 28/41] drm/vc4: vec: Fix timings for VEC modes Maxime Ripard
2022-08-30 18:20   ` Noralf Trønnes
2022-09-07  8:35   ` (subset) " Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 29/41] drm/vc4: vec: Switch for common modes Maxime Ripard
2022-08-30 18:36   ` Noralf Trønnes
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 30/41] drm/vc4: vec: Fix definition of PAL-M mode Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 31/41] drm/vc4: vec: Use TV Reset implementation Maxime Ripard
2022-08-30 18:51   ` Noralf Trønnes
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 32/41] drm/vc4: vec: Convert to the new TV mode property Maxime Ripard
2022-08-30 19:01   ` Noralf Trønnes
2022-09-08 11:23     ` Maxime Ripard
2022-09-08 11:31       ` Mateusz Kwiatkowski
2022-09-08 12:16         ` Maxime Ripard
2022-09-08 11:34       ` Noralf Trønnes
2022-08-31  2:23   ` Mateusz Kwiatkowski
2022-09-08 13:18     ` Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 33/41] drm/vc4: vec: Add support for more analog TV standards Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 34/41] drm/sun4i: tv: Remove unused mode_valid Maxime Ripard
2022-09-07  8:35   ` (subset) " Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 35/41] drm/sun4i: tv: Convert to atomic hooks Maxime Ripard
2022-09-06 20:02   ` Jernej Škrabec
2022-09-07  8:35   ` (subset) " Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 36/41] drm/sun4i: tv: Merge mode_set into atomic_enable Maxime Ripard
2022-09-06 20:04   ` Jernej Škrabec
2022-09-07  7:41     ` Maxime Ripard
2022-09-07 15:09       ` Jernej Škrabec
2022-09-08 14:02   ` (subset) " Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 37/41] drm/sun4i: tv: Remove useless function Maxime Ripard
2022-09-06 20:06   ` Jernej Škrabec
2022-09-07  8:35   ` (subset) " Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 38/41] drm/sun4i: tv: Remove useless destroy function Maxime Ripard
2022-09-07  8:35   ` (subset) " Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 39/41] drm/sun4i: tv: Rename error label Maxime Ripard
2022-09-07  8:35   ` (subset) " Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 40/41] drm/sun4i: tv: Add missing reset assertion Maxime Ripard
2022-09-07  8:35   ` (subset) " Maxime Ripard
2022-08-29 13:11 ` [PATCH v2 41/41] drm/sun4i: tv: Convert to the new TV mode property Maxime Ripard
2022-09-01 19:35 ` [PATCH v2 00/41] drm: Analog TV Improvements Noralf Trønnes
2022-09-02 11:28   ` Noralf Trønnes
2022-09-05 14:57     ` Maxime Ripard
2022-09-05 15:17       ` Noralf Trønnes
2022-09-07  9:58         ` Maxime Ripard
2022-09-07 10:56           ` Noralf Trønnes
2022-09-07 10:36       ` Stefan Wahren
2022-09-07 16:44         ` Noralf Trønnes
2022-09-10 15:34           ` Noralf Trønnes
2022-09-21 14:03           ` Maxime Ripard
2022-09-24 15:33             ` Noralf Trønnes

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