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From: Marco Elver <elver@google.com>
To: Andrey Konovalov <andreyknvl@google.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 09/10] kfence, Documentation: add KFENCE documentation
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 20:16:13 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CANpmjNP9DPMdKqYGT-1gpc8Vhca3LoB2s+fbiL_2LvcSdozRTw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAAeHK+w35Aqt8csAvBHg5rcKHm4cL0rPCM4VupfyG-58eMK-UQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, 7 Sep 2020 at 19:55, Andrey Konovalov <andreyknvl@google.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 7, 2020 at 6:33 PM Marco Elver <elver@google.com> wrote:
[...]
> > > > +Guarded allocations are set up based on the sample interval. After expiration
> > > > +of the sample interval, a guarded allocation from the KFENCE object pool is
> > > > +returned to the main allocator (SLAB or SLUB).
> > >
> > > Only for freed allocations, right?
> >
> > Which "freed allocation"? What this paragraph says is that after the
> > sample interval elapsed, we'll return a KFENCE allocation on kmalloc.
> > It doesn't yet talk about freeing.
>
> It says that an allocation is returned to the main allocator, and this
> is what is usually described with the word "freed". Do you mean
> something else here?

Ah, I see what's goin on. So the "returned to the main allocator" is
ambiguous here. I meant to say "returned" as in kfence gives sl[au]b a
kfence object to return for the next kmalloc. I'll reword this as it
seems the phrase is overloaded in this context already.

[...]
> > > > +Upon deallocation of a KFENCE object, the object's page is again protected and
> > > > +the object is marked as freed. Any further access to the object causes a fault
> > > > +and KFENCE reports a use-after-free access. Freed objects are inserted at the
> > > > +tail of KFENCE's freelist, so that the least recently freed objects are reused
> > > > +first, and the chances of detecting use-after-frees of recently freed objects
> > > > +is increased.
> > >
> > > Seems really similar to KASAN's quarantine? Is the implementation much
> > > different?
> >
> > It's a list, and we just insert at the tail. Why does it matter?
>
> If the implementation is similar, we can then reuse quarantine. But I
> guess it's not.

The concept is similar, but the implementations are very different.
Both use a list (although KASAN quarantine seems to reimplement its
own singly-linked list). We just rely on a standard doubly-linked
list, without any of the delayed freeing logic of the KASAN quarantine
as KFENCE objects just change state to "freed" until they're reused
(freed kfence objects are just inserted at the tail, and the next
object to be used for an allocation is at the head).

Thanks,
-- Marco

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  reply	other threads:[~2020-09-07 18:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-09-07 13:40 [PATCH RFC 00/10] KFENCE: A low-overhead sampling-based memory safety error detector Marco Elver
2020-09-07 13:40 ` [PATCH RFC 01/10] mm: add Kernel Electric-Fence infrastructure Marco Elver
2020-09-07 15:41   ` Jonathan Cameron
2020-09-07 16:38     ` Marco Elver
2020-09-10 14:57   ` Dmitry Vyukov
2020-09-10 15:06     ` Marco Elver
2020-09-10 15:48       ` Dmitry Vyukov
2020-09-10 16:22         ` Marco Elver
2020-09-10 15:42   ` Dmitry Vyukov
2020-09-10 16:19     ` Alexander Potapenko
2020-09-10 17:11       ` Dmitry Vyukov
2020-09-10 17:41         ` Marco Elver
2020-09-10 20:25         ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-09-15 13:57   ` SeongJae Park
2020-09-15 14:14     ` Marco Elver
2020-09-15 14:26       ` SeongJae Park
2020-09-07 13:40 ` [PATCH RFC 02/10] x86, kfence: enable KFENCE for x86 Marco Elver
2020-09-07 13:40 ` [PATCH RFC 03/10] arm64, kfence: enable KFENCE for ARM64 Marco Elver
2020-09-09 15:13   ` Marco Elver
2020-09-07 13:40 ` [PATCH RFC 04/10] mm, kfence: insert KFENCE hooks for SLAB Marco Elver
2020-09-11  7:17   ` Dmitry Vyukov
2020-09-11 12:24     ` Marco Elver
2020-09-11 13:03       ` Dmitry Vyukov
2020-09-07 13:40 ` [PATCH RFC 05/10] mm, kfence: insert KFENCE hooks for SLUB Marco Elver
2020-09-07 13:40 ` [PATCH RFC 06/10] kfence, kasan: make KFENCE compatible with KASAN Marco Elver
2020-09-11  7:04   ` Dmitry Vyukov
2020-09-11 13:00     ` Marco Elver
2020-09-07 13:40 ` [PATCH RFC 07/10] kfence, kmemleak: make KFENCE compatible with KMEMLEAK Marco Elver
2020-09-08 11:53   ` Catalin Marinas
2020-09-08 12:29     ` Alexander Potapenko
2020-09-07 13:40 ` [PATCH RFC 08/10] kfence, lockdep: make KFENCE compatible with lockdep Marco Elver
2020-09-07 13:40 ` [PATCH RFC 09/10] kfence, Documentation: add KFENCE documentation Marco Elver
2020-09-07 15:33   ` Andrey Konovalov
2020-09-07 16:33     ` Marco Elver
2020-09-07 17:55       ` Andrey Konovalov
2020-09-07 18:16         ` Marco Elver [this message]
2020-09-08 15:54   ` Dave Hansen
2020-09-08 16:14     ` Marco Elver
2020-09-11  7:14   ` Dmitry Vyukov
2020-09-11  7:46     ` Marco Elver
2020-09-07 13:40 ` [PATCH RFC 10/10] kfence: add test suite Marco Elver
2020-09-08 11:48 ` [PATCH RFC 00/10] KFENCE: A low-overhead sampling-based memory safety error detector Vlastimil Babka
2020-09-08 12:16   ` Alexander Potapenko
2020-09-08 14:40     ` Vlastimil Babka
2020-09-08 15:21       ` Marco Elver
2020-09-08 14:52 ` Dave Hansen
2020-09-08 15:31   ` Marco Elver
2020-09-08 15:36     ` Vlastimil Babka
2020-09-08 15:56       ` Marco Elver
2020-09-11  7:35         ` Dmitry Vyukov
2020-09-11 12:03           ` Marco Elver
2020-09-11 13:09             ` Dmitry Vyukov
2020-09-11 13:33               ` Marco Elver
2020-09-11 16:33                 ` Marco Elver
2020-09-08 15:37     ` Dave Hansen

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