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From: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@kernel.org>
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	Daniel Golle <daniel@makrotopia.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 18/21] ARM: drop SMP support for ARM11MPCore
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2023 18:09:16 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZCcTvN5DAbjOVWUX@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230327121317.4081816-19-arnd@kernel.org>

On Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 02:13:14PM +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> From: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
> 
> The cache management operations for noncoherent DMA on ARMv6 work
> in two different ways:
> 
>  * When CONFIG_DMA_CACHE_RWFO is set, speculative prefetches on in-flight
>    DMA buffers lead to data corruption when the prefetched data is written
>    back on top of data from the device.
> 
>  * When CONFIG_DMA_CACHE_RWFO is disabled, a cache flush on one CPU
>    is not seen by the other core(s), leading to inconsistent contents
>    accross the system.
> 
> As a consequence, neither configuration is actually safe to use in a
> general-purpose kernel that is used on both MPCore systems and ARM1176
> with prefetching enabled.

As the author of this terrible hack (created under duress ;))

Acked-by: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>

IIRC, RWFO is working in combination with the cache operations. Because
the cache maintenance broadcast did not happen, we forced the cache
lines to migrate to a CPU via a write (for ownership) and doing the
cache maintenance on that CPU (that was the FROM_DEVICE case). For the
TO_DEVICE case, reading on a CPU would cause dirty lines on another CPU
to be evicted (or migrated as dirty to the current CPU IIRC) then the
cache maintenance to clean them to PoC on the local CPU.

But there's always a small window between read/write for ownership and
the actual cache maintenance which can cause a cache line to migrate to
other CPUs if they do speculative prefetches. At the time ARM11MPCore
was deemed safe-ish but I haven't followed what later implementations
actually did (luckily we fixed the architecture in ARMv7).

-- 
Catalin

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-03-31 17:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-03-27 12:12 [PATCH 00/21] dma-mapping: unify support for cache flushes Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-27 12:12 ` [PATCH 01/21] openrisc: dma-mapping: flush bidirectional mappings Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-27 12:12 ` [PATCH 02/21] xtensa: dma-mapping: use normal cache invalidation rules Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-27 15:42   ` Max Filippov
2023-03-27 12:12 ` [PATCH 03/21] sparc32: flush caches in dma_sync_*for_device Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-27 12:13 ` [PATCH 04/21] microblaze: dma-mapping: skip extra DMA flushes Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-27 12:13 ` [PATCH 05/21] powerpc: dma-mapping: split out cache operation logic Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-27 12:13 ` [PATCH 06/21] powerpc: dma-mapping: minimize for_cpu flushing Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-27 12:56   ` Christophe Leroy
2023-03-27 13:02     ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-27 12:13 ` [PATCH 07/21] powerpc: dma-mapping: always clean cache in _for_device() op Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-27 12:13 ` [PATCH 08/21] riscv: dma-mapping: only invalidate after DMA, not flush Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-29 20:48   ` Conor Dooley
2023-03-30  7:10     ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-29 21:51   ` Jessica Clarke
2023-03-30 12:59   ` Lad, Prabhakar
2023-04-19 14:22   ` Palmer Dabbelt
2023-03-27 12:13 ` [PATCH 09/21] riscv: dma-mapping: skip invalidation before bidirectional DMA Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-29 20:16   ` Conor Dooley
2023-03-30 13:26   ` Lad, Prabhakar
2023-04-19 14:22   ` Palmer Dabbelt
2023-05-05  5:47   ` Guo Ren
2023-05-05 13:18     ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-05-06  7:25       ` Guo Ren
2023-05-06  7:53         ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-27 12:13 ` [PATCH 10/21] csky: dma-mapping: skip invalidating before DMA from device Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-27 13:37   ` Guo Ren
2023-03-27 12:13 ` [PATCH 11/21] mips: dma-mapping: skip invalidating before bidirectional DMA Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-27 12:13 ` [PATCH 12/21] mips: dma-mapping: split out cache operation logic Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-27 12:13 ` [PATCH 13/21] arc: dma-mapping: skip invalidating before bidirectional DMA Arnd Bergmann
2023-04-02  6:52   ` Vineet Gupta
2023-04-04  8:27     ` Shahab Vahedi
2023-04-06  9:01     ` Shahab Vahedi
2023-03-27 12:13 ` [PATCH 14/21] parisc: dma-mapping: use regular flush/invalidate ops Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-27 12:13 ` [PATCH 15/21] ARM: dma-mapping: always invalidate WT caches before DMA Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-31  9:01   ` Linus Walleij
2023-03-31  9:07   ` Russell King (Oracle)
2023-03-31  9:35     ` Russell King (Oracle)
2023-03-31 10:38       ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-31 11:01         ` David Laight
2023-03-31 11:08         ` Russell King (Oracle)
2023-03-31 12:32           ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-27 12:13 ` [PATCH 16/21] ARM: dma-mapping: bring back dmac_{clean,inv}_range Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-27 13:10   ` Russell King (Oracle)
2023-03-27 12:13 ` [PATCH 17/21] ARM: dma-mapping: use arch_sync_dma_for_{device,cpu}() internally Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-31  9:10   ` Linus Walleij
2023-03-31 12:48     ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-27 12:13 ` [PATCH 18/21] ARM: drop SMP support for ARM11MPCore Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-30  7:48   ` Neil Armstrong
2023-03-30 10:03     ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-30 16:40       ` Neil Armstrong
2023-03-30  8:12   ` Linus Walleij
2023-03-30 11:28   ` Joel Stanley
2023-03-31 12:54     ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-04-05  1:49       ` Joel Stanley
2023-03-30 11:51   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2023-03-31 17:09   ` Catalin Marinas [this message]
2023-03-27 12:13 ` [PATCH 19/21] ARM: dma-mapping: use generic form of arch_sync_dma_* helpers Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-27 12:13 ` [PATCH 20/21] ARM: dma-mapping: split out arch_dma_mark_clean() helper Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-27 12:48   ` Robin Murphy
2023-03-31 14:00     ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-31 15:12       ` Robin Murphy
2023-03-31 17:20         ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-27 15:01   ` Russell King (Oracle)
2023-03-31 14:06     ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-31 15:54       ` Russell King (Oracle)
2023-07-03  7:54   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2023-07-06 14:11     ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-03-27 12:13 ` [PATCH 21/21] dma-mapping: replace custom code with generic implementation Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-27 22:25   ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-03-31 13:04     ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-03-30 14:06   ` Lad, Prabhakar
2023-04-13 12:13   ` Biju Das
2023-04-13 12:51     ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-06-27 16:52       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2023-03-31 16:53 ` [PATCH 00/21] dma-mapping: unify support for cache flushes Catalin Marinas
2023-03-31 20:27   ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-05-25  7:46 ` Lad, Prabhakar

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